Thursday, August 16, 2012

The History of Dinar Pumping

You can't do a blog like this without wondering how we got to where we are today.  After all, there was no such thing as the IQD ten years ago.  Everything has sprung up in a few short years.  The dinar dealer sites, the forums, the recap sites, the blogs, the conference calls, the YouTube channels .... all of that pretty much has happened since 2006. 

How did it all begin?  Well I still haven't sorted out all of the details on the dealers.  That part is confusing as hell.  Marcus Curtis has done some research suggesting that the bank of Ireland had a hand in it as they sought a way to bail their country out of its economic crisis.

And the pumping?  Well I'm sure the old timers will correct me on a few things but the nearest I can tell from my research is that the pumping began from the likes of Phoenix (a.k.a. Ranger77, SecretKey, and Ema266 - scroll down to the comments or select "Find" and type "phoenix") and a guy named genx. The big dinar forum back then (before 2009) was Investors Iraq Forum (IIF). (You can still go there and read what people were saying about the dinar back in 2008.)   Another pumper was a guy named Jack DeAngelis who was previously involved in selling gold and silver coins.  He suddenly announced in 2010 that he wasn't a believer in the dinar investment anymore because of something a high ranking military guy told him about the upcoming redenomination.  There was also a woman named Shotgun Suzy who I am told was the unfortunate victim of an accident that left her in a weakened mental state. Dealers took advantage of her feeding her "intel" under the guise of CBI contacts or something like that. Eventually somebody caught on to them and Suzy disappeared along with her contacts. Frank Villa got his start at IIF also in "Frank's Corner", posting as Frank26. He built a huge following and I am told that he wanted compensation from the forum owner. When they refused he and his followers left and started KTFM (Keep the Faith Ministries). Eventually he had a falling out with board members over that one since it was set up as a 501C3 non-profit so he left and founded KTFA (Keep the Faith Always) where he was free to sell all the crap he's selling today and pump to his heart's content.

Many of the early dinar crowd apparently came over from the Nesara sites. That's why you hear so much conspiracy nut talk and crossover between the cabal crowd and the dinar crowd. The speculation about global settlements, prosperity packages, a global reboot, a return to asset backed currencies, monetizing untapped resources like oil, closing down the Federal Reserve, the Amero .... all of this began before the dinar investment. This is also why you see a lot of references to Ron Paul and the patriotism movement.

Apparently there was a lot of dissention at IIF when some of the members found the money supply figures on the CBI website and started telling people the truth about the prospects of their investment. Between that and Frank's departure IIF ended up pretty much a ghost town. Most of the activity shifted to Neno's Place and Med's old site Dinar Veterans (not to be confused with Adam Montana's site Dinar Vets). Breitling, Phoenix, Sonny1, and others posted there back then. Eventually Med and Sonny1 had a falling out over things Med was posting and Adam Montana (who was a mod at Med's site at that time) left and started Dinar Vets. Sonny1 had a big following at that time and when he went over to Adam's site he took a sizable following with him.

Dinar Vets took off in late 2009 and "Adam" wrote a book about the dinar in which he claimed that he's a Harvard grad who made money on the Kuwaiti dinar. He then started his offshore investment programs and his cash cow VIP program. Shortly after that Sonny1 went back to Med's site and patched things up with him in 2010. In time others were either banned from DV or left on their own to start other sites free from Adam's rigid controls. That's how Dinar Discussions and Currency Chatter began.

Around January of 2010 Roger Dorman (who I believe was a member at Dinar Veterans) started Dinar Daddy and it quickly grew to one of the largest dinar sites on the web. Some of the people who were posting the truth about the dinar at IIF made their way to DD and tried to get the facts out but were silenced by Roger's decision to disable comments. Roger proudly introduced his friend Okie to the dinar community, stating that Okie had great contacts and solid intel and he wasn't going to tolerate any disresepect for the man. After a few months of Okie's nonsense Roger threw him under the bus to try and salvage his own credibility. That turned out to be an exercise in futility however, as some members at DV started digging around and discovered that The Currency Vault (Now The Treasury Vault) is owned by Roger's wife Angela whom he had presented on his broadcast simply as "Angela from the Currency Vault" instead of "my better half". When this became known Roger shut down his chat room to keep people from talking about it and some of his moderators left, Kaperoni among them.  (8/17/12 NOTE!!!  JayP corrected me on the chronology of events here.  Apparently Kaperoni left DD prior to the revalations about Roger, Angela, and the Currency Vault.)  Also zapping his credibility was his arrangement with Breitling to promote the purchase of lower denoms as a hedge against a lop and his continual posting of obvious pumper lies in his Doozies column as a means of generating traffic to his site.

After Okie was essentially run off from Dinar Daddy he wandered around the dinar world looking for any place that people would welcome his "intel".  He went to the GET Team site, he sat in on a call or two with Frank, Dan Atkinson, and the Midnight Think Tank until he eventually found favor with miskebam who ended up building him a dinar site of his own.  Miskebam also built Bizarre Dinar, Changes Xchange, and BondLady's site and was eventually accused of creating all of these pumper personalities to build her own pumping empire.  I had spoken with her months before the allegations started and she was very upfront with me about having built those sites.  People who have been around the dinar community for awhile know that Okie and BondLady are real people and not simply Miskebam's alter egos.  Eventually the accusations (and the irresponsible intel from Okie and Bulldog at Okie's site) proved too much for her and Okie's site was shut down and he started a new one apart from Miskebam.   

Meanwhile Adam Montana was dealing with more drama of his own. The GET Team (Gankans, Enorrste, and TerryK) were gaining a big following at DV and started gathering information on members when they were abruptly banned from the site. At that point my understanding is that they made their way over to Stardogger where they were also banned, and then to Currency Chatter where as you might have already guessed they were also banned. That's when TerryK started his own site where the three of them hung out until last year when Enorrste apparently had enough of TerryK and befriended Kaperoni and started hanging out at Dinar Alerts. 

Soon after the creation of the GET Team Blaino was introduced to the dinar community by doing a Shabibi imitation in a mock interview.  After a falling out with GET Blaino started Planet Dinar and this was Okie's home until Blaino ran him off.  Eventually Hammerman teamed up with Blaino where he dished out his "intel" until Blaino ran him off too. 

Shortly after the GET Team drama Rudy Coenen started posting at DV and became an overnight guru. Suddenly he was on the dinar conference call circuit and his posts went viral.  Adam sensed that Rudy (who was putting a hedge fund concept together that could compete with Adam's post-RV program) was a con artist and banned him. Shortly after that Dan "Checkmate" Atkinson, SteveI, Chief, Viper, and Tony all participated in a couple of unauthorized conference calls at DV to give everybody a pep talk and update them on their "intel". You guessed it. BANNED!!!

This was obviously an orchestrated event as they had a new dinar site "People's Dinar" up within a couple of days. Thousands left DV to be a part of this exciting new dinar site where Adam would no longer be charging people (their motto was "No Boss No Cost") and banning people willy nilly. Turns out SteveI would do the banning instead (and as it turned out Dan would do the charging). This guy has probably banned more members than anybody in the history of dinar forums. After a few months Dan, Tony, Chief, and Viper couldn't take Steve's manic behavior and they left to start PTR where I am told they charge $15/mo for their intel. Others left to start their own forums. That's where the Midnight Think Tank got started which later spawned off  Revalue.US, The Call Squad, People Invested, The IQD Team, and the Gatekeepers.

Meanwhile a popular dinar researcher named Scooter had pretty much found a home at Dinar Vets and would frequently post there and even visit in the chat room on occasion. He had a big following too but didn't seem interested in selling anything or starting his own site so he was allowed to stay. One day in June 2011 an unknown member named Chuckster took Scooter to task for associating with Rudy in conference calls, claiming that Rudy was a con artist and Scooter should know better. Rather than reprimand Chuckster, Adam seemed to take sides with him and Scooter being the class act that he is thanked everybody for their support and said goodbye to the DV crowd. This prompted a mod revolt at DV and several of them left and made their way over to Dinar Dater, a site started by a guy named Chuckles who had been banned from DV and People's Dinar. Chuckles had hosted a couple of conference calls with Marcus Curtis who also had a run-in with SteveI and had been placed on mod review simply because people were copy and pasting Marcus' blog research in other forums.

About a month later the BH Group hosted a dinar guru summit in Toledo, Ohio where they pitched their new website idea that would compensate gurus for each member they brought in.  Within a week or two of the summit their facilities were raided by the IRS and their dinar sales were shut down.  This also put a quick halt to their new website and to Rudy's Iraq hedge fund program which to my knowledge is still in limbo a year later.     

Along the way there have been a number of other sites started with little fanfare.  Just4Dinar, OneDinar, Aceboard, Lew's Dinar Forum .... etc.  I'm sure I'm leaving out a few.  And of course the pumpers have come and gone ... too numerous to keep track of.  What is fascinating about all of this is that the vast majority of activity with dinar forums, intel, chat sessions, conference calls, videos ... etc. has occurred since 2009 and during that time the dinar has gone up in value a third of one percent.  LOL!!!!  All of the failed RV predictions, all of the proclamations that IT'S DONE!!!  All of the cash-in rumors.  All of the bank stories.  All of the absurd RV rates.  All of the "insider" information.  And nothing.  NADA!  You gotta love it. 

If Shakepeare were alive today I think he might write a play about this.  I think he'd probably call it "Much Ado About the Dinar".


  1. And you hit it squarely on the prediction after another about how it's done, about to be done, is done, was done, and one simple fact: no RV. None. Nada. I listened to a recorded call with one of your favs yesterday, Dan and Tony and Gary from PTR. "We were told it was supposed to be done today," Dan said. Ah, that would be for about the 10th time at least he's said that. Time to get some new sources Dan.

    PTR is actually quite funny. The number of people willing to bash someone for noting the constant predictions that never happened is astounding. Tells me that there are a LOT of stupid people in this world.

    1. Perhaps its time for PTR to fold up the circus tents and shut'r down lol There's no good to come out of constantly bashing someone for anything... too much negativity isn't good for the soul :)

      You got it right Cathleen, too many predictions that never ever come true, and won't ever come true -- no one knows anything "real" about this dinar rv. I feel that when it does, it will without fanfare or predictions or post rv parties, blah blah blah ad nauseum :)

  2. Great write up Sam! I just thought that I would add one note to this story, and the timeline relating to the Dinar Daddy site. Kaperoni, as you mentioned in this post, was a mod there. Before the facts came to light about what Roger was doing behind the scenes with his wife, Kaperoni would come in with various articles, and provide his take, and interpretations of these articles, getting the room excited with the things he would say. When the text service was added by Dinar Daddy as a service members could pay for, Kaperoni realized after doing the math how much money was coming in each month based on the membership. That was when he ralized the money that could be made in this investment by ways of earning it without needing the currency to revalue, and he requested that he receive a cut of the proceeds, or be paid for coming into the room and getting the room hyped up about what he read based on what his interpretation was of various articles he would read. (As we now well know, his interpretations were anything but fact based, but more about his misinterpretations of what deleting zeros is defined as)

    When Roger refused to pay Kaperoni for doing this, Kaperoni then left the site to start his own site, where he would.... drumroll... sell text services.. lol!! This all happened well before what transpired with Roger, and his interviews with his wife where he would introduce her as someone other than his wife, representing the currency dealership she operated. It was much later after that all came to light, that when Roger was questionned about what happened, and told that those of us that were mods would not lie for him when members started asking questions about it, that he quickly decided that day to close his chat room, and that is when Tenmillion decided she would create Tens Dinar Den to allow a place for those members to go that wanted to stay in touch, and share the facts of what we learned, regardless of how much we may or may not like what we had to share, all at her own expense. I do respect and appreciate Tenmillion's integrity, and proud to be associated with the people at that site though.

    What I am telling you is true, and I know this because I was a mod at Dinar Daddy when this all happened. It is true that Ten's site does not garner the site traffic that those other sites that will allow pumpers to provide lies or misinformation in order to promote the dealers they likely are compensated by, or to sell Text services, but as they say.. The truth does not sell..

    Thanks again Sam!

    1. Thanks for the clarifications, JayP. I knew I could count on you guys to set the record straight.

  3. Another completely accurate report sam.

  4. I too know about "Kap" -- his womanizing and unrepentant flirting in the dinar chat rooms lol He loves to be THE MAN and in charge -- no one should dare question him lol Well, "I" did just that, called him out in the chat room and he promptly banned me lol THAT was in DD chat room. Shortly after that he "left" DD.

    I cannot imagine, for the life of me, why anyone would STILL be in a dinar chat room... there is not one iota of proven info ("tier one done, tier two coming up!" and other bs) for anything dinar related. You can't believe anything the MSM says, so alternative internet news is the best way to go, IMO. We who still have dinar, should, again IMO, just put it away for the day it does rv -- and I feel it will one of these days -- and move on with our lives. The 2009 - 2011 years were horrendously full of straight out lies and deception.

    Thanks for this site -- there are far too many dinardouchbags to count, and thanks for clearing up who's who in this world of "dinar deceit" (omg, that sounds like a great site name lol)

  5. In an effort to be fair I'm going to state here what Kaperoni has told me. He never asked Roger for money. He doesn't receive any money from the sale of the text alert service or apparel at Dinar Alerts. He left Dinar Daddy because Roger is a nut and an egomaniac. He never knew how much money Roger was making until a year after he left. He doesn't dispute JayP's chronology of the events, however.

    1. If that is what he believes, then so be it, but I assure you that he knows the truth. I will say that it is quite funny that he would call Roger an egomaniac, but then during that timeline I gave, he left to go and do exactly what Roger did by having a site of his own created, taking the same idea of selling text services since he could not get paid from Roger's, doing the same types of chats, and banning anyone that dared question him and bring forth any indisputable evidence to prove him wrong, and then taking it a step further and now selling souveniers from his site. A bit hypocritical, but is this not a consistent trait of others that have had these spin off sites after leaving another? I suppose I will take the higher road and leave it up to the readers to determine for themselves who would be most likely to be forthcoming and honest about the facts...

    2. Of course Kap is going to tell you that Sam. He would be a fool not to. I'm sorry but NO ONE is going to do what he does just out of the kindness of their hearts. He has an agenda and JayP certainly has disclosed what it is, but there is certainly more to it. We just haven't seen it yet. One of his posts about cash in's hinted towards what he will have his hand in at a later time, but time will tell.

      Souvenirs? LOL That's funny. First I heard that one. *shaking head* Greedy bastards!
      BUT, there are moronic, naive, idiots who will buy it too, so to each their own.

    3. See seeing as how kap spins every RD article into an RV I believe I'll have to take sides with jayP and not some wannabe know nothing guru like Kap

    4. Please please please. If you ever see someone wearing a Dinar Alert t-shirt. Please stop that person and pose for a picture with them and post it on the web.
      You have to go look at some of the shirts.
      “I’m going to SCREAM as soon as I get my Text”
      “WARNING I’m waiting on a text that says I’m rich”
      “I’m going to RETIRE as soon as I get my text”


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