I always enjoy going through the absurd commentary on the dinar, so if you will indulge me this week I'm going to plow through a number of things before I get to granting this week's Douchie.
3-21-2012 Bear5642 IRAQ IS ON THE MOVE AND THE HEAT HAS BEEN APPLIED AND WE WILL SEE THIS COME TO PASS. I CAN ASSURE YOU WE ARE REAL CLOSE NOW, SOME THINGS HAVE HAPPENED...AND WE WILL SEE AN RV. MY GUY...FROM IRAQ...RECEIVED WORD THAT HE WILL HAVE THE...LD’S...IN A MATTER OF A FEW DAYS...CERTAIN POWERS STEPPED IN AND THE PIECES ARE IN POSITION -“CHECKMATE".
Really? Do you recall saying this in Sept. 2011?
9-13-2011 Bear5642 - I HAVE A CLASSIFIED DOCUMENT…AND I HAVE INFORMATION IN THIS DOCUMENT THAT EXPLAINS IN ITS ENTIRITY THE WORLD GLOBAL CURRENCY RESTRUCTURE ABOUT TO TAKE PLACE AND LET ME SAY THIS IT ACTUALLY HAS DEADLINE FOR THIS TO HAPPEN: SEPTEMBER 15TH 2011
Excuse me for saying that your guy don't know Jack. You've been spewing this crapola for the better part of a year now, Bear.
3-21-2012 FreewayBill Right now we are in that "holding pattern" waiting to land. The time is nigh and we will see this very soon. Keep the faith as we should not see another weekend without a pocketfull of money.
Well the weekend is here and my pockets aren't any fuller than last weekend.
3-21-2012 Jonnywg another quality intel day...from our sources, all have signed off but there is still a paper issue that is unknown...it looks like all is in the process of being resolved today/tonight...rates are all over the place but stay grounded at $4 usd and anything more is a blessing...i am still very positive re a release very soon.
I can think of a lot of words to describe your intel, but "quality" isn't one of them. You haven't been right about anything yet, hombre. An unknown paper issue? Really? LOL
3-21-2012 Blaino we believe there will be a press release world wide in the morning of the announcement of the new leaders of Iraq...we know that Maliki signed off on everything...all is done over there... if it goes like we think we're here...we're over with...shabibi has the reigns to pull the trigger now...he has up until sunday...we dont think he'll wait till sunday...we think we'll hear tomorrow.
No press release on Thursday. No RV on Thursday, Friday, or Saturday.
3-21-2012 Poppy3 All information recieved today has been great. Should be able to cash out almost anywhere by wed of next week.
Sure, you can cash out next week at the current rate. If you can find a buyer, that is.
3-21-2012 DinarWishes I was totaly expecting this to show last night and I guess they couldn't make it happen...But, I am hearing some really good things and that this should happen any time...Remember I said Tuesday thru Thursday and Im still sticking by that statement...I feel the end is Very close at hand.
Well here it is Sunday and no RV. Thanks for playing.
3-22-2012 Bulldog75 THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SUMMIT. RV SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED LAST WEEK AND PRIOR. THIS IS ABOUT: MONEY, OIL, POWER, POLITICS AND NOW TIMING. RATES CAN BE CHANGED IN THE LAST MINUTE IN THE COMPUTER SYSTEM PRIOR TO RATE POST. MATHEMATICALLY THE RATE COULD BE SOMEWHERE PROBABLY REALISTICALLY BETWEEN $4-14. BASED ON SOURCES AND DATA WE HAVE RECEIVED IT APPEARS PROBABILITY NEAR THE $14. BANKS ARE ON HIGH ALERT. THIS IS THE HIGHEST PROBABILITY FACTOR THAT WE HAVE EVER SEEN. HOUR TO HOUR; MINUTE TO MINUTE. WE ARE THAT CLOSE IMHO.
So you're calling $4-14 realistic? Mathematically? LOL! How about a tenth of a penny? I think that's realistic! And I can do that math for you if you want.
3-22-2012 Hammerman there are no no no NO NO NO NO NNNNNNOOOOOO delays...only thing delayed was the press release...i'll start looking late this after noon...cant share any more...and no i did not call it for this after noon...i stated ill start looking...its all good, my ears are burning and im smiling.
Maybe you should have added another NO!
3-22-2012 FreewayBill The intel the past week has been better and better each day.
That reminds me of a line from a song in Damn Yankees. "We gotta get better 'cause we can't get worse".
3-23-2012 Cap1 GREAT DAY FOR AN RV!! THE RATE IS STILL NOT LIVE ON THE TELLER SCREENS...YET. BUT IT'S COMING. THINGS HAPPENED YESTERDAY THAT MADE THIS A "NO TURNING BACK" ISSUE NOW AND MAJOR THINGS HAPPENED THIS MORNING THAT MADE IT A DEFINITE "NO TURNING BACK" ISSUE. IT WAS A MAJOR DEAL AND IT'S ALL GOOD FOR US. DON'T HAVE A TIME FRAME, BUT WE WILL WAIT. I KNOW THAT SOME OF MY FRIENDS ARE ALREADY POSITIONED AT BANKS. IT CAN RV AT ANYTIME.
I hope your friends are well stocked and comfy. They could be there awhile.
3-23-2012 Blaino There has been a change...involving Kuwait...it will delay us a short time. So, no doubt there will be no activity tonight. Tomorrow comes! The newly decided drop dead day is Sunday... so I think they'll hit it early if for no reason but to confound us!
Have you ever actually looked up the definition of "drop dead date"? From Wikipedia: "In trade and contract law, a drop dead date is a provision added to a legal or trade act, such as a contract or a court order. Such a provision sets a last-delay date (hence the name drop dead date) past which certain consequences will automatically follow, such as cancelling the contract, taking property or entering a judgment." If you keep issuing a new date you can't consider the original date a drop dead date.
3-23-2012 Cap1 I HEARD IT WON'T MAKE IT TO MONDAY. BUTTON'S BEEN PUSHED. IT WAS PUSHED AT 4 PM CST YESTERDAY MATTER OF FACT, I HAVE FRIENDS POSITIONED TO CASH IN IN THE MORNING. BANKS NEVER SLEEP. WE HAVE EYES WATCHING THE SCREENS.
Well maybe the banks don't sleep but your friends will have to eventually. Hope they've got a cheap hotel room near their bank.
3-24-2012 FreewayBill a country cannot host a Summit with worthless currency. Why do you think everything just seemed to come together this weekend? What a better way to kick off the Summit but by RVing your currency to show off the most valuable currency in the world???? I believe we will arrive at our destination within hours from now...Bank on Monday.
Japan hosted the 26th G8 summit with a currency valued at a penny. Vietnam hosted the 16th ASEAN Summit held in Ha Noi,Vietnam 9 April 2010. What was their currency worth? Nice try!
Yeah, it was a fun week. The anticipation of something happening prior to the Arab Summit this week really put the douchebaggery in high gear. But what stood out to me was the conference call I posted on earlier in the week when the IQD Team tried desperately to spin what their Arab interpreter Tariq said about the redeonomination. When he insisted that a 25K IQD note would be exchanged for one (1) new 25 dinar note after the RV (otherwise they wouldn't really be accomplishing anything as far as reducing the money supply) these guys started doing economic contortions and slight of hand to make it appear that Iraq is actually announcing to the world that they will increase the value of their currency by 1000 times and make dinar speculators millionaires. Then Mike "explained" the lop to Tariq by offering a completely inaccurate account of what happened with Turkey's lop, saying that they had 15 zeros and removed 6 of them without increasing the value. In fact they had six zeros and removed them all, raising the value of their currency (and reducing their money supply) by a million times in the process.
Mike also said the concern about the lop is that "it sounded to them like they were gonna turn in a 25 note that had $21 worth of value for a note that had fifty cents worth of value". HUH? First of all there is no 25 note to turn in. The note worth about $21.50 is the 25K, and it will be turned in for a new 25 note also worth $21.50. No loss of value. No net change. No "devaluation". Just a textbook case of a redenomination to ease cash transactions. The concern (justifiable I might add) is that the dinar that investors bought is going to be replaced by a new dinar with no net increase in value rather than an increase of 100,000% as the gurus have been telling us for years now. Tariq had it right. You guys had it wrong. So congrats to the IQD Team on their first Douchie. It was well-deserved.
By the way, I went on record January 19 saying: "Let me make a prediction right now. I will stake my reputation on the fact that the value of the IQD will remain relatively unchanged as of April 1, 2012. It might go up a few % but nothing more. Like I said, 30% at the most." Since I stated that the IQD has moved up 4 pips to 1166 - an increase of a whopping .34%. A week from now I believe my prediction will hold up. Any of you gurus wanna put some money on it?
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Oh come on Sam! Doncha know that once again there has been an "unforeseen" and "unprecedented" holdup? The Global Settlements required some final adjustments, and a few of the L.E.D.'s went out on the flashing red, yellow and green bank backscreens. Tech support is on it as we speak. And at the last minute, those darned White Hats decided to change from cowboy style to Top Hats to make this a more formal celebration. We'll see this happen no later than "Monday" for sure. Or was it Thursday? Dammit, I can never keep these days straight anymore. :(
ReplyDeleteBut the cheerleaders will be out in force anyway....... "D-I-N-A-R-R-V....Let's See How Na-Ive We Can Be!" Go Douchebags!
I think it's more like a few black lights, lighting up black against a black background. (With apologies to Douglas Adams.)
DeleteI think it's time that the US Treasury goes into 'lock down' mode. It's been a while since we've heard that one.
ReplyDeleteI heard the Antennae broke again. Face Palm!
ReplyDeleteSam, I think you missed some important things that contributed to the hold up of the RV. You mentioned nothing of the rats and gnats that are still in play, and we all know how much of a nuisance they can be with the release of the RV. Also, and this is a well known fact, the feds caught on to johnnywg and all he has accomplished in trying to get this pushed through. Lastly, another group of banking executives resigned and/or were thrown into prison.
ReplyDeleteI do agree with your choice of awarding the Douchie to IDQ Team, however, I think it's important for us to understand the real reason behind the delay.
Sam I think your next douchie should go to sonny1. His comments on dv regarding the rv are getting pretty sad and his agenda is in full mode knowing this is coming to an end. He is now stating that the new notes are needed for an rv and that the loppers have no clue what they are talking about. He avoids facts about Redenominations when asked. Either he really has no clue how Redenominations work or he knows but has to help Adam keep his members and push his nonsense on the site. I'm going with the latter as will anyone who has a brain can see what he's doing. Jayp, dinark, legolos and other very intelligent posters shove facts in his face and he runs and hides without acknowledging what has been presented to him. There's a reason why he won't come here anymore and that's because he can't ban or force people to only post in the lop section. He claims he loves debating but NEVER brings anything other than an opinion and again when he's presented with proof or facts he never responds. When he does respond its something ridiculous like well they won't RD otherwise they would have done yrs ago or they need lower denoms to rv and it has nothing to do with an rd. sonny is a douche. Just sayin
ReplyDeletei would cherish a douchie, it would mean so much, i have a speech all written. are you saying that they dont need small notes for an rv? i think you guys on here need to get some tail, because you all are becoming pathetic. i will state for the 80th time, i dont make any money off of dv, and i dont care if no-one ever goes there again, i am not adam like that area idiot keeps saying. its hard to debate you loppers, because you guys are so smart. lol
Deletehi sonny1! I was hoping you would return.
DeleteYou never responded some days back regarding the matter of Turkey and Romania, and why they redenominated. The redenomination occurred while inflation was in the single digits. This contradicts your own theory as to when and why a redenomination would only occur.
Unfortunately, regardless of why you say what you do, or what money you may or may not make on a site, until you address this, even something as simple as admitting this is a valid point and concern, that this does in fact show a redenomination now, even after inflation was resolved, may happen or disputing that these facts are not actually true with some evidence, your credibility has been tarnished.
I wish I could let this issue go away for you, but I did warn that I would not let this question to you rest so long as you completely disregard the facts presented to you for whatever your reasoning is for doing it.
Well since I'm the judge of who receives these awards I don't foresee any Douchie coming sonny's way. I don't hand them out to just everybody I disagree with. You have to do something truly doucheworthy, and so far I have no evidence that sonny is profiting off of dinar sales or ad revenues. He has been wrong many times but he has admitted that. The IQD Team blatantly twisted the meaning of statements from the CBI as Kap did recently. Breitling misrepresented what happened with the Turkey lop. Roger "Dinar Daddy" Dorman tried to conceal the fact that his wife "owns" the Treasury Vault. This is the kind of behaviour that gets you a Douchie. Just saying you believe Iraq will RV instead of lop won't cut it.
Deletejayp i told you i would debate you on chat, we dont have to say anything to anyone, just let me know when you want to do it, that way i cant get jumped by every scorned ex-okie believer that hovers on this site. let me know...
DeleteSure thing sonny1. I can respect that. I cannot discuss with you on DV, because one of the moderators on that site has specifically warned me that I am not to speak of, or comment on anything unless I am saying it will RV, so we cannot discuss it there, nor will I after being treated that way.
DeleteI am normally in the tensdinarden chat room, so you are welcome to come by there and discuss it with me there. The people there are very open minded, and want to see both sides like myself, so I can assure you that there will be no biased attacks on you, just good back and forth discussion, and maybe some counterpoints to both of our thoughts, which I am open to in order to get to the facts. We may not have agreed with each other, but I believe we have always been mutually respectful of each other, so I think it would be a fun conversation to have with you! :)
Amen callingfoolsout I totally agree with you. Anyone who has read my posts here now what I think of Sonny and Adam Montana. A paid VIP section ($397.98 yearly and well over 1,000 subscriptions) Multiple Dinar dealer ads and a bogus book and they both laugh all the way to the bank in a big way.
ReplyDeleteBy the way Sam Great job on the IQD Team and Tariq. Very eye opening.
your really still on this kick.
DeleteYep and Im not going away..nick
DeleteThe rumor around these dinar discussion sites is that they pull in thousands per month from ad rev alone. Way more if they are real smart and creative like Montana. Ad in rev from sales well only they know for sure. I was told that a particular site that opened June 2011 had already brought on over 100K at years end. Now this could be rumor....kind of like it has already rv'ed but makes one think.
ReplyDeleteI would be shocked to learn that ad revenues alone would bring in that much, but my feelings on ad revenues are that they are fine, as long as there is no conflict of interest there. All media, especially those that are free use ads as a way to pay the bills, such as radio and TV as well. Where I would have a problem, is when a site deliberately misinforms the public just to create that site traffic, irresponsibly putting people's money at risk just to create that site traffic, or if they push misinformation just to boost sales for a dealer, or for a product that they may secretly own (as what happened with one particular site already), or for products they openly own and sell.
DeleteNothing wrong with using methods to pay the bills, but just do not deliberately misinform your readers/listeners though specifically for personal gain knowing you may be hurting others in the process. That to me is where the line gets crossed.
so jayp, are we going to debate this out on chat or what, i wont on here, unlike the site that i belong to, i wont let you or anyone, besides okie-tk, even brietling, get bashed, on here i have to debate you, every ex-scorned okie believer, 2 guys thinking i am adam montanta, and every guy who has been banned from every dinar site in the last 4 years. come on jayp i am not that stupid..
DeleteI can understand that. Like I have told you up above, and in the past, I have been attacked on the site that you belong to. Markinsa has gone on an unprovoked attacks on me in the past with the same points I am discussing with you. He has told me, that because I said someone had a valid concern when talking about a 3 zero article, I deserved what was coming to me by him, and I was not allowed to say that he had a valid concern. So I hear what you are saying, but I would not say that this is "unlike the site" that you belong to. The difference here at least, as well as the proposed site that I would like to chat with you some, is that at least we are allowed to discuss ALL possibilities or potential outcomes, to include those that we may not want to happen. DV does not allow that, and Markinsa has made that very clear. I do look forward to discussing this with you sometime in the future though. Thanks!
Deleteyour right, dv doesnt hand out douche bag awards, and dig up peoples personal info, so i guess there not the same (sorry sam)
Deletejayp i have never let you, leg, dinarc, jmw, lotsofdinar ever get bashed without saying something. i have stuck up for you guys, thats what i think the haters on here seem to forget. but i will not sit here and debate and get attacked by these few idiots. though i think they are actually funny, the guy that said i was lying about my sick child, and said i was making it up, i thought he might of been the funniest.... i know sad.....
Sonny are you sure you want to do another debate. You embarrassed yourself on the last one and brought nothing but wishful thinking to the debate. Sonny SUCCESSFUL redenominations are done AFTER periods of hyperinflation. That's why Iraq has mentioned turkey and other successful redenominations done by other countries. Stop misinforming the sheep on dv. Legolos, jayp, dinark, jmw and many others have given you plenty of information amd you chose to keep lying and ignoring facts. You keep digging yourself deep. Stop the circus and admit Iraq is very clear in its plan to RD. there's no other way around it. I'm sure you will disappear when the rd finally takes place. It's just around the corner.....
DeleteCan't wait for your opinions during your debate with jayp. Good luck. You're going to need it.
sonny1 I have stated this before but I'll repeat it now for everybody's benefit. I do not publish personal information on anybody except for what has already been published on other sites. I have personal information on many gurus but since I can't link to it I don't publish it. What I do is no different from what Adam Montana did when Dan and Steve left DV to start People's Dinar. http://dinarvets.com/forums/index.php?/topic/50252-dv-why-dont-you-let-this-info-in-it-is-important/
DeleteSo let's not hear any more about how I post personal info unlike Adam Montana, okay?
Um.....check and mate....sonny lies a lot and loves to call others liars when he has been caught. Thanks Sam. Keep me coming.
DeleteAnd maybe Adam Montana doesn't give out Douchie awards, but he does offer this disclaimer:
DeleteWarning Regarding CHATS
Chats from outside of DinarVets are often from people that have KNOWN histories of scamming and lying. DinarVets strongly advises you to use common sense when reading the posts of some of these clowns.
Sonny I never said you were lying about your supposedly sick child. I said I didn't care and wasn't interested in any of your excuses and it was probably made up for the sympathy affect. You do however love to twist what people say to fit your agenda. Glad I could make you laugh too. Lord knows you have made all of us laugh for years with your opinion on this investment.
DeleteJust for reference, Site Worth Checker publishes Dinarvets.com daily ad revenue at $108 per day, down from a high of $367 a day in September last year. It gives an estimated value of the site at $75K and change, down from over $360K in July of 2011. These are not hard numbers, it's based upon an formula that is generic to all websites, and certainly doesn't credit the value of the VIP revenue stream, which is at least $500K when you count the other services and book sales. In fact, the VIP is a big money maker in itself, but the funny thing is that VIP is basically paying for the privilege of being offered more useless services.
Deletei'll be gone if it rv's or rd's. why would i stick around something i have no stake in, thats kinda dumb......dont ya think.....oh ya you are sticking round with no stake in this......ooopppsss
ReplyDeleteI love seeing how little you know. It's hilarious. You should probably prep for your debate before you embarrass yourself again.
DeleteSonny1(or Nick) A reason that I go after you is because I see a lot of hypocrisy in what you say on DV as well as here. I thought you were the one who would not who would reserve to name calling. You said it yourself. Here are some of your words
DeleteI HAVE TREATED EVERYONE WHO HAS A DIFFERENT OPINION THAN MINE WITH MAJOR RESPECT. I DONT TO BE PART OF A SITE WHERE IT REVOLVES AROUND HATE, AND COMPLETE RUDENESS.....
really Sonny1? so lets take a look. These are your recent words.
"i will not sit here and debate and get attacked by these few idiots"
" I cant get jumped by every scorned ex-okie believer that hovers on this site".
" I think you guys on here need to get some tail, because you all are becoming pathetic".
"please dont be a azz like most of the people on here are"
"but idiots like callingfoolsout "
"callingfoolsout, every time you post you truly show your lack of a brain".
"you guys were wrong on this one, its ok your human"
"i am not adam like that area idiot keeps saying"
and on and on.
I really don't care if your not Adam but could you give us some concrete evidence who you are and why do you hide your identity? Its a very simple question.
why would i tell you who i am.....are you serious, it none of your business...
DeleteAh sonny you did it again. On legolos $50,000 bag of groceries thread you got spanked by bigfrankd and you did damage control by deleted his posts showing how wrong you are with all your responses. What a tool you are. Too bad for you I took a snap shot from my iPad of that thread and have proof how shady you are. Why did his posts get removed.....? Was it because it shows how little you know and that you have no clue about anything. Come here amd admit what you did just now or Ill love to share with sam your shady ways
ReplyDeleteI have no idea what your talking about I was debating Jay on his site. Post it again I know your big Frank. Please don't make up lies.
ReplyDeleteTo Sonny1's credit here, he did come to the site where I was on so we can chat about this topic. We did not have much time to discuss and debate the topic, so I did not get a chance to ask him again about his thoughts on Romania and Turkey, but essentially, I did say to him that they may replace the notes, replacing the old 25K for a new 25 note, where if they did this today without changing the rate, then the old notes would remain at .00086 per dinar, while the new notes would have the new rate of .86 per dinar. He actually agreed with me, and stated that then we are thinking the same thing, but that this would be an RV. Maybe this is a matter of semantics, but if this is in fact what he thinks may happen, then I would agree with him. He may call this a RV, but since this would involve a currency reform, I would consider it to be a RD since what I am talking about does not involve changing the rate of the current notes. That can certainly happen still, and that is where an actual RV event would take place, like the change from 1170 to 1166, or if they went from 1166 to 1000 so that the new notes would be worth 1.00 after the RD.
DeleteWhat he did say though, which I am not sure I necessarily agree with, is that it may RV at .10 and that it would not be exchanged for new notes. He does believe that if it were to revalue at .10 that this would give them a currency in circulation valued at only 2.8 Trillion, rather than 28 Trillion. I will give him this much, at least it is certainly more reasonable than saying it will RV to 1.00. Unfortunately though, based on all things that the CBI has been saying, and what they are using as examples to what they intend to do, I am not convinced, but when Sonny1 has more time, I certainly would enjoy more of his time to discuss this a bit further as to why he thinks that .10 is more likely to happen than what we have been hearing the CBI specifically state they want to do for a number of years now. I do welcome the conversation to continue though, because I think that we are at least getting to some good discussion, and hope it can continue and see where the conversation goes from here....
I'm not saying he wasn't on your site but he was also doing damage control on dv...I have the proof. Just waiting for sonny to admit he deleted bigfrankd posts on legolos thread which he was viewing as you can see who is on reading the thread.
DeleteYes, that would be interesting to see. I did not see the legolas thread, but you have peaked my interest now, so I will need to see if I can find it to give it a read! :)
DeleteJay you should debate him on dv instead so all his loyal sheep can see how little he knows. You, legolas, Jmw, dinarck, bigfrankd should all show the facts and links. Sonny brings nothing to debate but opinions. He keeps posting the Mexico rd When he should actually read what he's posting cause it's embarrassing to see him this way.
DeleteOn the legolas thread bigfrankd quoted sonny and smashed him with links to disprove his comments them they magically vanished....hmmmmmmmm
Yes, that is very curious that posts would just disappear like that. I would like to hear an explanation as to why this happened though, and see the comments that were deleted.
DeleteWhat I find interesting, is that he states that he agrees with me that a RD is possible, but he calls it a RV, but then on DV he states that a RD (which is the same thing as a lop) cannot happen, and people are not allowed to talk about it, or comment about it on the site. If he agrees that it could happen, then why is it so taboo to discuss? This is what confuses me a bit.
Sonny1, if you read this, I would love to discuss this further, and get your thoughts on this. Also, if you bring up the Mexico Rd, and state that this is a reason why it would not RD, but then agree with me that it can happen like how I explained it, then I think that this is conflicting views. I would like to see if we can clarify your thinking on this as well. Thanks!
i am the only reason there is a lop section, so to say no-one is allowed to talk about it, is just trying to make me look bad....
Deletei would love to let you know what happened to that post, but i dont know, there are 20 mods stuff gets deleted all the time...
Lol you have no idea huh.....well seeing how bigfrankd destroyed your nonsense on legolos thread and seeing you were viewing the thread at that time and then poof his posts disappeared. I have photos of everything. Love iPad and how you can take snap shots of what you're viewing. I have the shots of his posts with you viewing it and I have shots of the post vanishing shortly after. So again you are caught in yet another lie...the only person lying is you and you are known for making posts vanish. You sure you want to play this game right now. Keep digging your hole sonny. Hey Sam expect an email with what I, talking about here. Sonny you did this to yourself.
ReplyDeleteI didn't delete your post big Frank. Please stop stalking me it's starting to get a little scary. I do think its funny that you want to tell on me though. Your pathetic. Jay you actually agreed with everything I said even when I explained a lop to you. Don't you start making stuff up to now. Your better than that
ReplyDeleteWhen we spoke, what you actually stated was that it would RV, but when I explained what a RD was to you, you agreed with me. When I stated that the old dinars would be exchanged for new at 1000:1 old for new, where the new dinars would be worth .86 per dinar, but the old dinar would still be worth .00086, you said that this is a RV, and you and I are saying the same thing. I was a little confused by why you would say that this is a RV, but as I said earlier, maybe it is a matter of semantics. If you think that this is what they may still do, then yes, we are in agreement that this is a possibility, but surely you would realize that if this was to happen it would not mean any gains for us. We would need them to also give a new rate of 2.00 for the new dinar, and .002 for the old dinar, and we would then realize a profit in this at least. I would not make things up though, and I did enjoy our conversation earlier, but if we agreed with each other, then why is it that you state that a RD cannot happen, or are you admitting may have changed your position on that possibility?
DeleteOnce again sonny you're WRONG.......I'm not frank but it is like you to try and turn things around when caught. The evidence is building up on you and it's getting hilarious watching you contradict yourself.
DeleteI guess we are all liars and you're the honest one lol. Read these responses alone. People can see right thru your BS. Don't worry sonny you keep up the lies. I have all the proof and more to come as long as you keep opening your mouth.
I'm sure Adam is probably telling you to stay away from this site cause you are making yourself look dumb.
Dave d....are you the one who posted on dv about Mexico rd on legolas thread about $50,000 groceries? If so let me know......
I’ve never posted on Dinar Vets.
DeleteThe only interactions I’ve had with Sonny are right here on this site.
He has the pumper/guru act down pat. Make unsubstantiated claims and tell blatant lies over and over and over, and when confronted with facts that refute those claims and lies, ignore and push on telling the same lies over and over.
It comes down to one of two things for all these pumpers and gurus. They are either being disingenuous and are part of the scam, or they are simply some of the most ignorant people I’ve ever encountered. Neither is someone you would want to take investment advice from. I’m sorry that I don’t know how to word that without being offensive… but frankly I don’t feel any of these people deserve much respect.
Hey! We're back on the school-yard! Hahahaha!
ReplyDeleteWhere are all the adults? LOL!
Sonny is a blatant liar. There is absolutely no doubt about it. He is still on DV claiming that Mexico lopped while they had 10,000% inflation. I personally provided a link for him twice that proves Mexico’s hyper inflation was the late 80’s and they didn’t lop until 1993.
ReplyDeleteHere is another link for Mexicos inflation rate. Plane as day… inflation dramatically fell in 1988. They lopped in 1993. Mexico waited a full 5 years until after inflation was reduced to lop.
http://www.inflation.eu/inflation-rates/mexico/historic-inflation/cpi-inflation-mexico.aspx
He simply ignores facts presented to him which prove his claims a lie.
Sonny is willfully ignorant.
lol, this is turning into a complete joke, i am sure sam is proud.
ReplyDeleteit looks like i now know how to trat the people in the lop section over at dv, they can thank you idiots, and jayp what debate were you at today, i had to explain to youwhat a lop was, you started saying 2 different rates, different values, all i said was it will rv at .10, and explained how, which then you said you can see that happening. i enjoyed our debate, but dont front around your boys in here. and callingfoolsout, adam cant believe how rude and disrespectful you all are to me, considering how i stick up for you guys on dv. its pretty sad. daved, you are wrong by the way, read it again d-bag......
sonny1 I tried to stick up for you. I even moderated a few posts because I thought they were disrespectful of you. In return you accused me of digging up personal information on people which isn't true. As I documented I haven't done anything different from what Adam Montana did with Checkmate AKA Dan Atkinson and his criminal background when he linked to that page. If you're gonna take shots like that at me all bets are off.
Deletesonny1.. I can assure you, that anyone that has read anything that I have posted in the last year clearly shows that I did not need to have you explain to me what a lop was. When I explained what I thought may happen, you specifically stated yourself that my explanation was the same as what you thought and you did not understand why we were debating then. There were others in the room with us. The only difference is that you called that a RV, and I said no, RD.
DeleteI am not fronting for anyone, and I even defended you earlier for giving you credit for actually showing up to chat with me, albeit too breif, but that was because we both had other priorities to tend to other than Dinar at the time.
I would definitely like to chat more with you, but please be honest with what was said in our discussions. Like with the .10 rv you mentioned, I did say that I did not necessarily agree with that either, but I did think that it was much more realistic than saying 1.00. I would like to chat more with you about that though, and why you think that they would do that over trying to get to the dollar by way of a RD though. We also did not get to the most important issue though since you pushed the Mexico issue so hard, and discuss the details of Turkey and Romania since you did not address this today when we chatted. This is still a point that you have yet to address since you stated that a Rd would only happen during high inflation.
Look forward to chatting again soon. Maybe with more audience so that what we say can be verified by more witnesses :)
Read what again Sonny? What are you claiming I got wrong?
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DeleteThis is what sonny does....calls everyone liars and idiots and says everyone is wrong. You are not the first to show hi, he is wrong about Mexico. It's clear he needs to read it again or he's sticking to his agenda. I find it hilarious that he plays the victim. He is constantly contradicting himself and then when others back up their statements with links he hides and avoids it then comes back to reply about something else he wasn't asked. He avoids all truth. He is a very well played downlow pumper. He had admitted he was wrong before but only after hiding out a few weeks past his prediction. Them comes back to say well I have been right more than I've been wrong.....actually he's been wrong 99.9% of the time. His claim to intel was the Maliki crap and honestly that was a no brainier and wasn't based on "intel" he had.
Don't worry Dave he will be back to call us names while still avoided the fact he's wrong and cry about being a victim on here. There's more than one of us calling him out. Hey sonny guess what........it's you.....not us. Stop the lying
Just sayin
Oh… I totally agree. It’s straight from scam pumper 101.
DeleteI just want him to say what part I’m wrong about.
The multiple links that I have showed him are simple enough for a 7 or 8 year old to comprehend. They clearly show Mexico’s hyperinflationary period was 4 or 5 years prior to their lop.
Is he claiming that I’m mistaken in what he claims about Mexico? He has repeatedly claimed that Mexico lopped while suffering high inflation. That has been proven a lie. Is he now simply claiming that Mexico lopped because they at one time had high inflation?
That would be quite the revelation huh? Since EVERY redenomination/lop is due to past inflation.
Talking to guru/pumpers is like talking to 5 year old children.
you guys have to admit though, i have not started one spat of the name calling, i have been only defending myself. i will not name call 1 more time, if you guys want to debate go to tens site or dv, and if your respectful i will debate these issues, in fact jay and i actually have had a good time debating these over the last 2 days.
Deletehere is a link that denies 1000-1 and clearly states that they will rv then rd, its kinda odd what they have to say (tell the truth) when they are talking to future business partners-investors...... enjoy
http://dinarvets.com/forums/index.php?/topic/111676-ministry-of-finance-is-a-plan-to-increase-the-value-of-iraqi-dinar/
"Ministry of Finance has prepared a plan to increase the value of the dinar against the dollar and then delete the three zeros from the value of the dinar to contribute to the advancement of the Iraqi economy in the coming period"
DeleteThanks for the link, sonny. My take on this is that they intend to raise the value to $.001 (about a 15% increase) and then lop off three zeros to give them parity with the USD. That's an increase that they can support.
I really don't care who started the name-calling and insults. I just wish everybody would act like adults and carry on discussion with facts and links and observations. Do you suppose that's possible?
That article is old. They're saying they will move the exchange rate from where it's at now to 1000:1 then redenominate.
DeleteWhat sense does it make to revalue to anything huge then spend their reserves cashing everyone out then spend the money to come out with a whole new currency. Dinarck did a better job at explaining it but the article is very old (over 2 yrs) and if you say they have been recently saying 1000:1 you're wrong. Plenty of articles saying a 1000:1 exchange for a couple yrs now.
Oh and by the way sonny you avoided dave d again.....where is he wrong about Mexico and how are you right?
Deletecallingfoolsout is right, this article is more than 2 years old http://dinarvets.com/forums/index.php?/topic/7185-dinar-news-plan-to-increase-the-value-of-the-dinar-against-the-dollar-and-the-deletion-of-three/
Deleteyou guys are correct, i will let ron know its old, thanks sam, callingfoolsout.
Deletei will not debate on here anymore, and i am sure you cant blame me, just look at the treatment i receive, i will debate any of you on tens, or dv in chat so everyone can see, so i am not misquoted, and so others can not lie about what i am saying, like i said jay and i actually had a good time,
Who has misquoted you? Why can't you answer Dave d question about Mexico. You just proved what we have said on this thread about you avoiding facts and questions. You can't be misquoted if you respond here cause everyone can see what you typed. In chats your horrible attempts at explaining how they can rv don't get copied and posted so I don't understand your excuse for not debating on here.
DeleteI'm glad to help. Any time you want to come back and discuss these issues fee free to. I'll try to keep folks in line but no guarantees.
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DeleteSo it's even older and pretty much on point with their goal of getting the exchange rate to 1000:1 before they redenominate. I wonder how long it will take them to move the exchange rate from 1166 to 1000. Took them what 3 yrs to get from 1170 to 1166. Just gives dinar website owners and pumpers more time to make money.
Deleteso you cant guarantee i wont be attacked? you moderate all posts..
DeleteI started moderating the posts out of sympathy for you. Then you took a shot at me for digging up personal information on people when in fact I haven't done anything more than link to information that was already out there, just like Adam Montana did with Dan Atkinson. So no, I won't guarantee that I'm going to continue moderating comments. If you're gonna take shots at me I just might release the hounds on you. LOL
Deletei dont need your sympathy sammy, you claim to be different on this site, that is why i like coming here, i just expected to be treated here like i treat the people i disagree with on dv, i guess that isnt the case.
Deleteand i apologized for saying that, i realize that the info was sent your way and you indeed did not dig it up. i just thought i would get the same respect that i give all the rd'ers on dv, i guess i was wrong
i am sorry, we hashed that out through e-mail i know the info was sent your way, and not your doing, i just think its crazy the abuse, and i am the only pro-rv guy who sticks up for you guys, and actually plugs your site...
ReplyDeletehttp://www.frbatlanta.org/filelegacydocs/j_whi811.pdf
ReplyDelete3/4 down first paragraph it states how lopping devalued the peso, and sent inflation soaring, it cant be much clearer. its just another case of a smooth rd..... j/k of course, at least jay used romania's rd in our debate today, not the disaster that turkey was.
http://www.frbatlanta.org/filelegacydocs/j_whi811.pdf
Turkey was not a disaster. That's a forum fact you guys created and has been debunked over and over. There was even a guy on dv who lived there and told us exactly what happened and how the exchange went. C'mon sonny you know turkey was not a disaster and Iraq is VERY CLEAR about their intentions to redenominate. I'll bet you $10,000 they redenominate. You up for it
DeleteLOL.... What?? More Guru made up nonsense.
DeletePlease show me where that paper says the redenomination/lop caused the devaluation. It gives a number of reasons for the devaluation. The redenomination is not one of them. Scanning through the document I don't even see where the redenomnation is even mentioned once.
lopping devalued the lira, that isnt considered good. so your willing that it doesnt go up at all in value before they rd? thats what you want to bet?
ReplyDeletehere is the lira being devalued to the u.s.d after there lop, i know what else it says so i dont need a 10 page report on the whoke article, and turkey was a complete joke, ask jagerson if he knows anything he can tell you that
http://dinarvets.com/forums/index.php?/topic/77214-central-bank-has-in-fact-made-a-decision-on-the-matter/page__hl__turkey__fromsearch__1
and no props on the mexico thing?
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Deletei posted an article on turkey, and a whole pdf on mexico, you kind being difficult dont ya think?
Deletesam you read all the posts did i produce what he wanted or no? lol
DeleteI didn't read the whole pdf on Mexico, but from what I skimmed through it looks like their RD didn't work so well. But then again, I don't recall Shabibi saying that Mexico was a success like he said about Turkey. As for Turkey's new currency depreciating, that's common with currencies after an RD as John Jagerson pointed out in one of his dinar videos. I remember reading that Brazil's real depreciated a bit after they RD'd. That doesn't mean they weren't successful. Success is determined by how quickly the exhcange rate is able to stabilize. In that respect both Turkey and Brazil (1994) were successful.
DeleteThe value will rise little by little like it did when it went from 1170 to 1166. It will however not have an overnight rise of .10 or $1.00 or anything in that nature. There intent is to get the exchange rate to 1000:1 then RD...
ReplyDeleteMy bet is it will not rv to what you're claiming it will ($.10) and I'm betting they will RD AFTER they get the exchange rate closer to 1000:1
Comprehend?
here is what i think you guys are missing, if iraq rv's to a dime, they will have roughly 2.2-2.8 trillion in out of country debt caused by the rv, they had more debt waived than that from all they owed money too, so logic tells you that they could very easily rv, and to be honest, it is way more logical, and better for iraq to obtain purchasing power (dont say rd'ing builds pp cause its neutral) and build a private sector, which then actually gives them an economy. i think you guys got burnt up 1 to many times by okies to see that they can rv, i dont think $1.00 either, but .10 is completely do-able comprehend?
ReplyDeletei would love to bet you, but i have money for a reason, and i only bet on locks...like kentucky over baylor last saturday...lol
So know you don't think it can rv at $1.00.....um ok
DeleteBack in June of 2010 you claimed an rv by then because GE signed contracts with Iraq with the new value at 3.86 or something in that range. Time went on and your tune changed
Then you have been quoted and stated many times in 2011 that an RV of $3.00 was ridiculous and would never happen and that anywhere from $.86 to $1.13 was what it would rv to
Now your saying they couldn't afford anything close to $1.00 and $.10 was reasonable.
Which one is it?
By the way I have never believed anything out of Okies mouth and Dv was the only site I would visit cause I liked the people they had on there (2010- present). The ones confined to lop prison. I saw eight thru Adam and knew he was shady instantly but he had the most level headed members on his site. Econ 101 will tell you Iraq will never wake up on day and say ok today our currency is worth .10. They are pegged!!!!
and of course you won't take my bet because it's a guarantee win for ME. You tried to bait me by asking if it won't rise in value before an rd and it will. Little by little pips but never a jump like you guys claim.
There's really no need to debate on turkey or Mexico or Venezuela or Romania. This is about Iraq and there magical RV that has never happened in history because it can't.
By the way can you have Adam come out and admit he never made money on the made up Kuwait "rv". Blatant made up lie in his book. We all know how the Kuwait RI happened
still no mexico love hey? and all that stink you made, you could at least give me a little something
ReplyDeleteMexico love? For what? You were proven wrong in your claim about Mexico. You then find a FDF about the devaluation of the Peso and somehow you claim it was because of the redenomination. That's hilarious considering the paper never even mentions the redenomination. The paper even states that the Peso was overvalued in the early 90's, which was before the redenomination. So part of the problem was there prior to redenomination.
DeletePlease pull a quote out of that PDF that backs your claim.
Sonny you keep striking out on this Mexico thing. All your links prove nothing. The title fits agenda them when you read it you can see has nothing to do with what you're claiming
DeleteFirst you say Mexico rd during high inflation then you say the rd devalued the peso.
Can you just admit that you're wrong and you try to take things out of context to fit your claims which are always proven wrong.
Bottom line none of these countries matter anyway. What matters is what Iraq plans to do and anyone can see exacty what they are doing. This whole fantasy of Iraq rv is just that....a fantasy.
Just stop the misinformation
For the record, I will say that while sonny1 and I have certainly disagreed, sonny1 has been willing to chat these topics with me. I will also say that to his credit, he was willing to look at what I had to show him and what I had to say regarding Turkey and Romania, and believe it or not, he was big enough to admit where he was mistaken on that matter, and that when Turkey RD'd they were in single digits with inflation.
ReplyDeleteNow we definitely still agree to disagreee on some topics that I am sure there is plenty of room for more discussion, but the fact that he did bend a little to what I had to say does tell me that he is obviously willing to have an open mind and chat about things, so I think we should give him a bit of credit and respect for that much.
I say we give him a chance, and when he says something, we just need to ask for the proof, and if necessary, I now at least know that he is willing to go to a chat room where he will discuss the topic. He spent plenty of time with me today where we debated a number of topics and believe it or not, it was quite enjoyable. He may think I may be the most hard headed S.O.B. by the time we were done because I ask for proof on everything, but it was fun getting a better understanding of his thought process, and in return I do hope he has a better appreciation for some of our apprehensions to the various theories people hear and why we ask for proof.
Let's try and see if we can continue civil conversation, and I am sure that we will enjoy it much more. No need to name call when all you need to do is ask for proof is my feeling.