Friday, February 21, 2014

Exogen Post and Response

The recent BBC Trending story on TNT Tony's Twitter campaign produced quite a reaction from various gurus.  As you might expect there were accusations that the BBC is a bunch of hacks, the story was put out there by the PTB, they were wrong to call the dinar a scam, there's no way the dinar will go down in value .... etc.  But the one response that I felt most compelled to address was that of a Tony lackey named Exogen.  This is one of the most poorly constructed and logically flawed rebuttals I've encountered in all my years of dinardom.  Below you'll find XO's words in red and my responses in bold black.




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It appears that a BBC article written by Cordelia Hebblethwai is an attempt by the owners of the Cental Banks, who have historically privatized the currencies in all but three countries of the world, to discredit Tony and to use their ownership of the drive by media to try to tell the public not to buy any dinar and to reject the tweets sent out by dinarians through #wearethepeople that have been posted to make the bankers and administration accountable to the people. Tony has been an open book to all his listeners. We all know about his criminal charges pending, as he has discussed this several times. He has not been tried, and we are to presume he is innocent until proven guilty. Of course, if he were taking any money from you, then you should be concerned, but he is not. If Tony was telling you to go out and buy dinar or dong and getting a "commission" from the currency dealers, then you should ignore and shun him, but he is not doing that.
First of all, her name is Cordelia Hebblethwaite.  It's only fitting that Exogen got the facts wrong in the first sentence, because it sets the tone for the rest of this rubbish.  If the central banks were concerned about people buying dinar why would they need to turn to a BBC Trending reporter to do something about it?  I mean if these powerfaul gazillionaires wanted to stop dinarians from buying up any more of this precious paper they could just shut down the dinar dealers, right?  And no, Tony has not been an open book.  Was he telling people about his criminal background and his current legal problems before this blog and a few others started providing links and informing the dinar public about these matters last year?  I think not.  He was forced to discuss this stuff because people were asking questions.  That's not transparency, XO.  That's douchebaggery. 
If one analyzes the stories over the years spoken to the public by the reporters of the drive by media, there is evidence that people behind the scenes are intentionally feeding the reporters with lies upn lies to cover up their elitist agenda for world-wide control to dumb down the people. Why doesn't Ms Heblethwai report about the lies fed by the owners of the drive by media? The real owners behind the banks, those managing the unregulated Federal Reserve, for example, pay people to lie and to post and report lies to the public.
  
The dumbing down has been done by these dinar douchebags who have completely hoodwinked inexperienced currency speculators into believing that a currency can be revalued to such a great extent that millionaires will be created as a result.  Anybody with a grade school math proficiency should be able to discover otherwise once they have all the facts.  And the reason Ms. Hebblethwaite doesn't report on the media owners is simple.  She writes for BBC Trending.  Her job is to see what the hot topics are in the world of social media.  TNT Tony's hair-brained Twitter campaign caught her attention because of the (mostly fake) numbers that were being generated, and she did her job and reported on it.  Anybody void of a tinfoil hat should be able to see that.

People should listen to whistleblower karen Hudes, previous chief counsel for the World Bank, who calls those hidden people behind the scenes that own the Central banks to be criminals and thugs. The first Central Bank that was turned over by a government to private people was the UK. There is a lot of things hidden, and most of those in the world have been asleep, and I think that whistleblowers like Karen Hudes are the people Ms. Hebblethwai should be interviewing. There is a Collateral Account, which has art treasures, precious metal, precious stones, etc. She says there are 175,500 tons of gold on deposit in the Bank of Hawaii to back up or underpin the currency that the UST should cause to be issue in the Global Currency Reset to fulfill the IMF requirement to have an asset-backed currency.
Karen Hudes is just another rambling, delusional nutjob who caters her message to the conspiracy nuts of the world. Watch these videos (especially #2) to hear her talk about the Jesuits, the cabal, Michelle Obama's honey trap, a thwarted nuclear attack on South Carolina, and the aforementioned massive stash of gold in Hawaii.  No wonder the World Bank showed her the door.  (Read more about Karen Hudes here.)  Also, there is no such thing as a GCR and the IMF has made no such requirement.

I think it is interesting that Cordelia Hebblethwai didn't note that the dealers, such as CXI or DinarTrade are registered with the US Treasury - if this is such a problem, why don't they shut the dealers down? Why is the UST's largest inventory of foreign currency the Dinar? Is Tony making a "commission" on every Dinar or Dong sold? No! Does Tony get paid by advertisers? No! Is Tony selling your names? No! Does he have a right to state his OPINION about the Global Currency Reset? Yes, every car salesman has a right to give his opinion as to the condition of a used car, don't they? Yet, when you buy a used car, you buy it "AS IS". One of the elements of being guilty of a "SCAM" is that you profit from the misrepresentation. Tony has made it clear that he gets "NOTHING" from being a guru! In fact, his site is is one of the few who does it free without charge. As long as there is no commission paid to Tony by the "dinar dealers" and those "encouraging" people to buy them, then thistony's broadcasts are all 100% legal. In TNT Tony's case, there is nothing I have heard that would suggest he is operating outside the law.
Registering with the US Treasury doesn't make you any more legit than registering for wedding gifts.  All it means is that you have provided your contact information so that the government can keep track of currency transactions as part of their money laundering and anti-terrorist efforts.  As the BBC Trending article states, everything the dealers and gurus are doing is 100% legal unless a money trail between the two is detected.  That doesn't make it right, but that's the world we live in.  The UST's largest inventory of foreign currency is not the dinar, XO.  In fact the UST has stated that they only hold a nominal amount for daily transactions (page 5).  The largest are the yen and the euro.

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/IR-Position/Pages/01312014.aspx

The innacurate part in the Article is Tony does not encourage anyone to buy any currency. I have listened to Tony for a year now, and I can say that Tony repeatedly says, "Now do not go out and buy any dinar or dong by what is said today!" In fact, he said it in his conference call on 02-14-2014.

Maybe Tony has never said "Go buy some dinar" in so many words, but when he's constantly talking about the RV or GCR that's going to happen any day now and saying that everything is done and that we're just waiting for the 800 numbers to cash in .... anybody with any sense knows that people who are new to the dinar are going to quickly place an order so they won't be left out.  No lame disclaimer is going to change that fact.


Finally, the article did not say that if a purchaser of the dinar has a right to go back to the currency dealer and sell it back to them. Why did she not bring up this fact? This would be a fair statement to make, but she did not say it. She is not being a well-balanced reporter. How can it be a SCAM if you lose no money or very little money. Where's the risk? It is like drinking alcohol. Drinking alcohol is legal, but if you drive under the influence then that is a crime. If you want to buy dinar or dong with the chance of earning money, then that is your choice. If you get tired of waiting, you re-sell your currency back to the dealer. You wake up with a hangover, but you will get over it in a day or so. People have hangovers all the time, but they still go out and drink. People buy lottery tickets everyday, and the chances of winning is probably 50 million to one. How much money is lost each year on gambling, but it is not illegal to gamble. This is not an investment where you gave Tony your money to invest for you. You hold your own asset in your own possession. Why did Ms. Hebblethwai compare this to an investment fraud. It does not have the same elements at all. Her article was not only unprofessional but also totally misleading. She is comparing apples with oranges.

It's a scam if everything you're told to entice you to buy it is a lie.  It's a scam if you're told that deleting three zeros means removing the denominations with three zeros from circulation so that they can increase the value by 100,000% and you're not told that the largest revaluation in history was 35%, and that deleting or removing zeros has always referred to a revenue neutral redenomination.  It's a scam if you're told that they're planning on raising the value and you're not told that the CBI's policy is to maintain a stable exchange rate.  It's a scam if people buy because they were told about a mythical RV or GCR that has no basis in fact.  It's a scam if people aren't informed about the risk of illiquidity.  Actually this is very similar to other investment scams based on misleading hype and exploitation of inexperienced and naive investors.  As for the lottery, every lottery commission informs the public as to the odds of winning the jackpot.  They don't tell people that they have a winning lottery ticket or that it's a blessing from God like the dinar douchebags do. 


A truly Professional Journalist interviews and reveals names where she is getting her information. We should ask Ms. Hebblewai questions. Every journalist is taught in college the basic in news reporting.

Since when?  Journalists have always cited anonymous sources.  Remember Deep Throat?  The source behind the Watergate story?  His identity wasn't revealed for over 30 years.  I doubt that these economists requested to remain anonymous, however.  She probably just didn't name them all for the sake of brevity.


WHO are the economists that Ms Hebblethwai talked to? It could be some desk jockey. It could be someone who wants everyone to buy gold, and the buying of the dinar takes away his clients. Who are these so called experts you interviewed?

Well one of them was John Jagerson, an acclaimed currency and investment expert whom I've interviewed a couple of times.  Given that he was one of them I'd assume that the economists from Harvard and the London School of Economics were similarly qualified to assess the dinar scam.

WHAT is the IMF leader, Christine LaGard, utting out to the economic world when she frequently uses the phrase, "Global Currency Reset?" [This reporter said that Global Currency Reset is not a word used in the industy- Hello! The head of IMF uses it].

You tell me?  She's certainly not talking about the GCR that dinar gurus and conspiracy nuts are talking about.  I couldn't find anywhere that CL used that expression.  The only link any of the GCR crowd could provide to support this claim was where she used the word "reset" at the recent economic forum.  In that case she was talking about Quantitative Easing concerns. 

“My last R is “reset”. We are seeing as necessary going forward, a reset in the area of monetary policies. We believe that quantitative easing and the accommodating monetary policies that have been adopted so far should be continued up until such point where growth is well anchored in those economies, and this is not yet the case everywhere. Reset in the sense that once it is well anchored, then those accommodating monetary policies have to be reformulated ... have to move either back into their old territories or be more traditional ... or be maybe of a different kind, and I am sure central bankers around here will be able to comment on that. But that’s first reset.”

http://www.weforum.org/sessions/summary/global-economic-outlook-2014

Nothing is said about a currency reset or changing the way that currency values are determined.  If you can read you can see here that CL is talking about eventually ending the current monetary policies being used to address the problems arising from the financial meltdown of 2008, and returning to the more traditional policies that were in use prior to the crisis.  

WHEN is the reset to take place? [Neither Tony nor anyone else has a handle of this. Everyone says Jesus is coming soon. Does it mean He is not returning? Nobody knows when! How many times has Tony been fed lies by the agents of the PTB?]

So now you're comparing the GCR to the second coming of Christ?  And was it the PTB that caused Tony's previous fraud indictments?

https://services.saccourt.ca.gov/indexsearchnew/PersonList.aspx?SearchValues=renfrow,anthony,,0,False,,,

WHERE does Ms. Hebblethwai get her facts that 65% of the Tweeter are being fake? Is she saying that those who are tweeting not real because some people do not use their own names? How does she come up with that statistic? How many people has she interviewed? Did she email or tweet herself and make an inquiry or request for people to contract her? She will find out that we are united in our stand, and we will not fall for her lack of failing to use standard practices of investigating reporting. Ms. Hebblethwai reads more like an "OPINION" comment than a news report that has been thoroughly investigated.
You can take what Tony is saying and use it, or you can listen to any other guru, or do not listen to anybody. Do your own research. By the way, I am not getting paid for using my analytical skills for sending out statements like this either. I am merely trying to be helpful. Everyone of you can go sell your currency back to the dealer where you bought it at the current rate of exchange, minue a fee, any time you want. On the other hand, you can wait and see what happens next week.

I couldn't agree more.  Do your own research.  That's what I did and that's how I know that Tony is a scammer and the RV is a scam.
Like me, you are probably frustrated. In the King James version, Daniel 7:25 says, "And he shall speak great words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High. . . ." The Hebrew word for "wear out" is "bela" from the root word "balah", which mean"to inflict, consume, become old, spend, or waste." Who do these very, very wealthy people behind the scenes represent? What is their agenda? Is it to free up the middle class with great wealth? No! They are trying to wear you out. I think Tony is doing his best to combat them. He needs our prayers.

I agree that Tony needs our prayers.  "... pray for them which despitefully use you ..." (Mat. 5:44)





52 comments:

  1. I have to say that I actually feel sorry for this person. Just the fact he defends and trusts Tony is sad enough in itself but the guy is completely brainwashed with conspiracy paranoia to the point of being reality confused. Typical dinar victim. The ignorance this dinar trance spawns is sometines hard to believe.

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    1. Agreed Dinarck. Terrific post Sam. The lies told about "Christine LaGard said the GCR is real" are absurd and easily disproven. All she did was use the single word "reset" in a completely different context, not even related to currencies. It's almost like a perfect example of group hypnosis using a "trigger" word to make them see things that simply aren't there...

      Great catch on the Twitter Audit site - I've never heard that before. Tony scores 27% (2,432 Real, 6,710 Fake) out of a random sample taken. And that was from 2 months ago before the recent "surge" of obviously fake accounts, so it's probably even lower now...

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    2. Actually there are several options that I know of, and probably even more that BBC Trending is aware of for checking Twitter authenticity. I've said it from day one of this blog .... these guys aren't that smart.

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  2. As for tony not getting paid, it is a reality that he is a marketing guru. The charges against him profess that. You can easily set up an account with twitter that pays you with every tweet. It makes me think about all the times he told people to tweet and re-tweet and re-tweet. And these calls he makes on blogtalk, again he makes money from them. Now he wants us to post to his facebook account, income. Anyone can do it. Research it. Oh, don't forget to use a fake name. He wants you to prove to the PTB that this is real. So use a fake name and a fake email account to show the PTB that you are real. Got it?

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    1. I saw this on Facebook earlier and tracked down the call. Apparently tony slipped up in his call on 02/17 and stated that he worked for Sterling Currency Group. No Tony is a liar so we can take that with a grain of salt but the impression I got was that he slipped up, realized it and then quickly tried to cover up his comment. Take a listen for yourself. http://bit.ly/1mAclZE

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    2. It's not very clear to me what he's saying there. I listened several times, and the closest I could get was "Ida worked for them" or "I'd a worked for them". Without anything else to go on I'm going to withhold judgment here.

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  3. Someone on DV just made this post............


    Just how long will someone let you make statements that are wrong but yet keep listening to you?????The you in my question is not Adam.It is gurus in general.....butHow long? 

    Read more: http://dinarvets.com/forums/index.php?/topic/172859-just-how-long/#ixzz2tzYB8f5A




    Then someone responded.........

    Trust nobody, except Adam.

    ROFLMAO............OK if we are suppose to trust nobody then why are we trusting you when you tell us to trust Adam? People are dumber than dirt. Adam has more reason than most to deceive the masses and that's exactly what he is doing. Fortunately people seem to be waking up. DV at this point shows about 50 active members. Lol.....I hope Adam is bleeding money.

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  4. Here we go again with the bible thumping rhetoric .............Poppy3 …KEEP IN MIND WHAT I ALSO HAVE BEEN REPORTING THAT THE PEOPLE OF IRAQ REMEMBER WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN PROMISED AND THEY LIKE US ARE NOT GOING TO JUST SETTLE FOR ANY RATE. THEY ARE EXPECTING FOR THE DINAR TO RETURN TO PROMINENCE AND SO ARE THE OTHER MIDDLE EASTERN COUNTRIES THAT TRADE WITH IRAQ DAILY. THE RATE WILL BE VERY GOOD IN SPITE OF WHAT OTHERS KEEP TRYING TO SELL. I AM NOT BUYING THEIR THEORIES. I AM STANDING ON FAITH AND WHAT THE CBI THEMSELVES HAVE STATED MANY TIMES TO THE IRAQ PEOPLE.

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    1. Like to know Iraqies which guru POOPY ever met. Maybe some one from Oklahoma trailer park?

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    2. He's in Nashville so it would be a Tennessee trailer park. ; - )

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  5. Yet more of poopys fantasy talk!............,,Poppy3 - I HAVE RECEIVED SOME NEWS THAT THE CBI, IMF, WORLD BANK AND UNITED NATION GROUP WERE ALL IN ATTENDANCE LAST SUNDAY AFTERNOON INTO THE NIGHT AND THE DISCUSSION WAS STRICTLY THE REVALUATION OF THEIR CURRENCY. WHEN THEY DID ADJOURN LATE SUNDAY NIGHT THEY WERE SAID TO ALL BE IN AGREEMENT AND THE CBI WAS AGAIN GIVEN THE HONOR AND GREEN LIGHT TO MOVE ON INCREASING THE VALUE AT THEIR DISCRETION.

    THEY REPORTED ALL LAWS THAT NEED TO BE IN PLACE ARE AGREED ON AND THEY ARE READY. THERE ARE MANY MORE REPORTED THAT WILL BE PASSED IN THE NEAR FUTURE AND MANY OF THEM WILL BECOME FINISHED UPON THE RELEASE OF THE 2014 BUDGET. HOW LONG THIS MEANS WE WAIT FURTHER IS UNKNOWN AT THIS POINT BUT IT SAYS THE RV CAN TAKE PLACE TO LIFT THEIR ECONOMY AT ANY TIME THEY DEEM READY TO IMPROVE THEIR ECONOMY, STOP THE BILLIONS BLEEDING AND STOP INFLATION.

    THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS IN OUR FAVOR RIGHT NOW AND THE REPORTS ARE ALL SUPPORTIVE OF ONE ANOTHER AND THAT HASN’T HAPPENED IN A LONG TIME. THINGS ARE SOUNDING VERY PROMISING FOR ALL OF US INVESTED. STAND BY FOR VICTORY.

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  6. You might want to put on your diapers before wetting your pants reading the following posted yesterday Dinar Recaps regarding Exogen's nonsense.



    Exogen Intel from Stage3Alpha Thursday Night

    02/20/2014



    THE GOOD GUYS FINALLY HAVE THE CABAL CORNERED GLOBALLY

    Posted by EXOGEN on February 20, 2014 at 9:24pm

    1. VATICAN MONEY LAUNDERING (CLOSED DOWN)

    2. COUNTRIES ACCEPTING THE USD (CLOSED DOWN)

    3. GLOBAL DRUG OPERATIONS (CLOSED DOWN)

    4. GLOBAL CURRENCY MANIPULATION (CLOSED DOWN)

    5. THE PETRO DOLLAR (CLOSED DOWN)

    6. DERIVATIVES (CLOSED DOWN)

    7. ABILITY TO CREATE WARS BASED ON LIES (CLOSED DOWN)

    8. FRACTIONAL BANKING (CLOSED DOWN)

    9. FEDERAL RESERVE AS A GLOBAL SUPER ENTITY (CLOSED DOWN)

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    1. These guys just keep making my job easier. Thanks Cruzer.

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    2. My favorite 3 were the most idiotic not that the other 6 weren't but anyone that believes these 3 has had at minimum a lobotomy.



      2. COUNTRIES ACCEPTING THE USD (CLOSED DOWN)

      5. THE PETRO DOLLAR (CLOSED DOWN)

      8. FRACTIONAL BANKING (CLOSED DOWN)


      and by the way WTFudge does "global drug operations" have to do with the Dinar??!! LMFAO...

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  7. Uuummmmm....who is Exogen to talk about people not reporting sources. These 'gurus' are reporting information. And always site their sources but always say they can't reveal who. Geez. Stupid people. Hoping this scam dies soon.

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  8. I guess poopy has dubbed himself the world economist since he thinks he knows so much about finance and the middle east. funny when he makes his lame every other week predictions and is wrong (always), he blames the Iraqis for lying. I have never heard such moronic statements in my life till I started reading things from poopy. he is a certifiable nut job along with his BGG and millionday pumpers by his side. its always the church leader types that pull the biggest scams on people. he bases his entire thought process regarding the dinar on bible prophecies.

    Poppy3 - they must read it [budget] a second time before a vote but other than the laws that are included within the budget there should not be any reason the rv can’t happen prior to the budget being voted into law…actually if the cbi chooses to rv first it would put more pressure on parliament to get the budget in place.

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  9. Great read Sam,for one thing the name Cordelia Hebblethwai is the name I have on my twitter acc. I listened to Exogen once on a batman call lol '' boy it gets ridiculous'' and he sounded like a jitterbug want to be conman lol.I've been tweeting Tonys followers and have awakened about 20 and one of them I've been able to talk on the phone and he has 8,000,000 dinar and his dealer has been giving him the run around for 10 days and finally he talked over the phone to him Friday and he told him he needed time to come up with the money and he would get a hold of him this next week. That doesn't sound real promising since I have a feeling the dealer has a lot of people wanting to get cashed in while this scam implodes. Google Tony Turd to see a comment I gave on Tonys Friday blast. PEACE

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  10. This global conspiracy talk is nonsensical. If the world is controlled by and operated by all these rich, powerful people why do they need a global currency reset? They already control the world! They already own all the central banks. They already have all the money. What difference does it make to them if some currencies go up and some go down? They still own the central banks and control all the money, right? These conspiracy nuts shoot themselves in the foot with their own arguments.

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    1. Yup!!! The consipiracy buffoons must love being handicapped by their arguments. It appears as if they can't comprehend reality so they feel the need to fabricate a facade of information for the easily impressed who are too lazy to research the truth.

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  11. Talk about nuts.....Detective Dinarbeliever is at it again. The guy can't defend the RV so he plays detective. This is his latest paranoia about keepm:

    Oh keepmwlknfny you really are digging a massive hole for yourself. I am making the following allegations about you keepmwlknfny and I want your comments on both allegations;
    1) I have it on good authority that you have not held dinars for years- at least 2 years

    2) Your paid by A certain person not on this site to troll the forums for the past three years- which you have done for an agenda by the lopsters.

    I want the truth from you keep as I feel you owe dinar vets the truth with your years of trolling and I think now would be time to come clean and redeem yourself. Remember what goes around comes around and I want you to swear on oath when you answer my allegations to you.

    Read more: http://dinarvets.com/forums/index.php?/topic/172155-feb-update/page-26#ixzz2uBFLAM2P

    He's always good for a laugh.

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  12. "She [Karen Hudes] says there are 175,500 tons of gold on deposit in the Bank of Hawaii to back up or underpin the currency that the UST should cause to be issue in the Global Currency Reset to fulfill the IMF requirement to have an asset-backed currency."

    The estimated upper bound for how much gold as been mined in the history of civilization is 168,000 metric tons (tones) or 181,000 imperial tons. So rather obviously this claim is false (since it didn't mention the obvious conclusion that the UST got all this gold from another planet with the help of the aliens out at Area 51!).

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    1. jrg - "She [Karen Hudes] says there are 175,500 tons of gold on deposit in the Bank of Hawaii to back up or underpin the currency"

      This is precisely what marks "Guru Karen" as a complete attention seeking conspiracy crackpot:-

      1. "The best estimates available suggest that the total volume of gold ever mined up to the end of 2012 was approximately 174,100 tonnes, of which around 60% has been mined since 1950." - World Gold Council
      http://www.gold.org/investment/why_and_how/faqs/#q021


      2. And that's ALL gold for every use. In reality, 50% of that is consumed as jewelry, and another 10% as industry (electronics, aerospace, etc). Out of the 40% in investments, half is privately owned (bullion coins, etc):-
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold#Consumption

      Take that 175k tonnes of gold and divided it by 5 and you get a figure fairly close to the 30-35k tonnes of gold that are actually held in bullion form by governments for currency backing:-
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_reserves#Officially_reported_gold_holdings


      3. There is no "Federal Reserve of Hawaii". There are 12 FR banks for the whole of the USA, Hawaii's is served by San Francisco's (the 12th):-
      http://www.usccr.gov/pubs/uncsam/agency/fedres.htm

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    2. Sorry .... just cuz you read something on lmao wikpedia doesn't mean you did your research. The world Gold Council counts the gold on ledger. How much gold do you think the catholic church accumulated in the last 2000 yrs? How about the monarchy in the western world over the last 3000 yrs? How about the Asian dynasty's over the last 4000 years? Now how much do you think they actually reported?
      Do you think the WGC knows how much gold exists in the Global Collateral Accounts? Or how much was really stolen by the Nazi's, and Japanese during WWII?
      Read up on operation Golden lily...then the Green Hilton agreement and so on.
      If you read beyond wikpedia...you may find that the total gold on ledger as posted by the WGC may well be a fraction of what is off ledger.

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    3. Brian is one of the best researchers in the dinar community. You'd better be prepared to offer something other than links to conspiracy nut sites to support your assertions because I have a feeling he's going to respond.

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    4. Not much to respond to Sam. Most such comments are on the lines of "It's wrong because I don't want to believe it" 'shoot the messenger' style posts complete with reverse 'onus of proof'...

      Even if the USA had half or even 1/4 of the stated Gold and the Vatican had 1,000x tons stashed away, it doesn't change the fact Iraq's gold bullion reserves to back its currency are just 30t worth just $1.5bn - that even today barely backs 2% of their Forex reserves at a 1164:1 rate (and wouldn't even back an absurd 0.0005%-0.002% of a mythical $1-$3.5 "RV"...

      "Karen" has been caught lying on many things before. Really stupid trivial things. If people choose to treat her like some infallible "whistleblower" despite not even being capable of getting basic facts right, I doubt any sane two-way debate is possible.

      As for the "Global Collateral Accounts" this is yet another variant ripoff of NESARA's "prosperity funds" and originated from Benjamin Fulford - the failed Canadian "journalist" with a long history of mental health issues (persistently rumored Schizophrenia) who after moving to Japan now claims he has "4 million ninja's under his command" and gave the Queen of England "mere weeks to resign or he'll send them in to arrest her" (that was about 5 years ago...) ;-)

      Every time there's a minor earthquake anywhere, he claims "alien plasma weapons did it in retaliation for me posting stuff to the Internet" (stuff about "reptilian shapeshifters" that's already on the net years earlier in half a dozen other conspiracy forums - and which usually turns out to be be someone who doesn't understand what an MPEG compression macroblock artifact of moving interlaced video looks like). The guy's a megalomaniac crackpot with a wildly over-inflated sense of self-importance.

      People who buy into this stuff still need to learn that "two wrongs don't make a right". The get-rich-quick Iraqi Dinar "RV" is a scam and will continue to be a scam no matter how many other people run round shrieking about the "shadow banking system" or "fiat currencies".

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    5. Well I'll throw my 2 cents in, too. Warren Buffett is probably the greatest investor who ever lived, and he said "If you took all the gold in the world, it would roughly make a cube 67 feet on a side…Now for that same cube of gold, it would be worth at today’s market prices about $7 trillion". Somebody smarter than I am can break down the math on that, but I doubt that it allows for the stash in Hawaii that Karen Hudes was babbling about. Also, in 2012 a report came out that there was actually over 16,000 tons less gold than was previously thought, bringing the World Gold Council's estimate of 173,000 tons (above ground by the way, not just "on ledgers") down to 155,000 tons. So you can see that this isn't just Wikipedia misinfo.

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    6. Well that just can't possibly be true. If you watch the video at http://americancontractor.com/the-iraqi-dinar-will-revalue-says-investment-advisor-watch-video/ he clearly states that they have made a massive gold discovery. I did the math and in order to cover the $3 rv would require a cube of gold only 1790 yds on a side. So apparently this Warren Buffett guy you mentioned doesn't know anything or is just trying to hide the RV from the masses and is trying to keep us down.
      Here endeth the sarcasm.

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    7. Sam to highlight the absurdity of these conspiracy guru claims, the NESARA bunch (on which around 80-90% of GCR stuff is stolen from) claimed there was "40 zeros worth of gold just waiting to be equally shared out". That works out to a sphere of gold the same size as the orbit of Saturn (half the solar system). And apparently it's all "hidden in a few warehouses on Earth" ;-)

      Of course, if there really were such a vast sum of gold, then it would no longer be rare or precious and its value would crash even lower than copper or iron. Common sense is the first victim of these "money for nothing" feel-good conspiracies...

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    8. Warren's 67 ft cube is 165,000 tones so its consistent with all the other data. Mining technology has only recently made it possible to get 2,000+ tones per year world wide. In 1900 it was only 500. Back in the 1500s it is estimated to have been only in the low 10s. The idea that millions of tones existed (above ground) in the early 1900s over the entire planet, let alone that such an amount was plundered from Nanking (as the Golden Lilly sites claim) is just not physically possible.

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    9. Well don't keep us guessing, wes. Why don't you enlighten us with all your "research"? How much gold does the catholic church have? How much was stolen by the Nazis during World War II? Or are these just drive-by insinuations? I'm sure it's fun to think about the world being controlled by a grand conspiracy or by an elitist cabal of families. It's a great way to explain things you don't understand or can't comprehend. But, at some point, you run the risk of looking like a complete fool unless you provide evidence. Why would you want to be branded as a wacko if this information is true. Nobody will take anything you say seriously. If this information (that you, undoubtedly, sourced from the internet) is true, why all the vaguaries and insinuations? Stop beating around the bush. Show us the data!

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    10. Wes, Just an FYI. Here we don't just fling around alleged accusations without at the very minimum a link to confirm where you got your information. Many of us here are VERY WELL aware of the conspiracy theories out there so if you're going to suggest reading up on something that you are joined at the hip with we want links. This is not your typical pro-RV type forum where we take everyone's commentary as gospel. However, I will say that if you are going to argue some points please make sure that the they are verifiable credible links and not blog such as NESARA, Fourwinds, etc. Although wikipedia is not necessarily 100% accurate they quote their sources so you can further research. Stepping into a blog like this one with NO factual sources is a pretty weak starting point.

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    11. This is what it looks like when an idiot like Karen Hudes can regurgitate stupidity but is incapable of explaining in more detail how a collapse would occur. Clearly you can see that she can not elaborate when Greg Hunter drills her for more details. Then when she gets into speaking about the gold she can't get her facts write. Of course when you speak lies you get confused. SHE'S A WHACKJOB!!! smh...

      Some of the comments on the youtube link below are on point and others are no more worth than just a chuckle.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58ayjFKRQ2A

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    12. I wonder if it ever occurs to these people to ask themselves why is it that the only way they can prop up support for a Dinar revaluation is by resorting to conspiracy theories/sites or some kind of heretofore never heard of economic principles? They can't come up with even one single example of a credible financial organization that even hints at support for the possibility of this mythical "RV", in fact the CREDIBLE financial experts all warn of just the opposite, nor can they point to even a single example in history of these kinds of economic principles. It would seem all that should "raise a red flag" but apparently the desperate desire to prove that this is somehow possible trumps common sense.

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  13. Karen must be using the same formula for gold that the gurus are using to justify a 100,000 - 300,000% RV

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  14. True callingfoolsout.........DB is obsessed by how many screen names someone uses..........if someone holds dinar.........how long ago someone sold their dinar and if someone is a government plant being paid to get people to sell their dinar. All whiny little non-arguments used by someone who has lost the argument. Its funny, the guy still thinks he is going to become rich overnight by a massive RV or a GCR even after all of the irrefutable facts that have been presented to him. Its unbelievable that anyone could deny reality after that but DB is proof positive that delusion can win over reality in the dinar world.

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  15. I see the world economist speaks again! LOL

    Poppy3 - MANY…BANKING LAWS WILL BE ACTIVATED UPON THE APPROVAL OF THE BUDGET AND IT APPEARS THE RV WILL BE VERY CLOSE TO ALL THESE LAWS BEING ACTIVATED. [March looks promising?] FEBRUARY ISN’T OVER YET…POSSIBLE ANYTIME FOR SURE.
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  16. So here's a scenario I think could be possible. The ex tells me has a buyer for his dinar at an exchange of 5 dollars. The buyer is willing to pay it as he is gambling on the dinar being worth even more than that when it RVs! My ex is tired of waiting on the actual RV so he's going to sell out now.
    I think this is the angle the dealers are working now. Thus all the months of pumping it at 30 dollars plus! Some have taken the bait!! Always someone more gullible due to greed!!

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    1. Its amazing that even the most koolaid saturated brain would believe anyone would buy dinars at 5 cents let alone 5 dollars as long as dealers and e-bay are offering plenty of buying opportunities at only 1/10 of a cent. What ever happened to your ex's gang at the hotel waiting for the big cash out?

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    2. Well I believe your ex is so desperate to sell off that he probably has a $5 offer and is most likely going to cash out at that rate. Except that rate is per NOTE not dinar. LOL!!!!! That's a 75% loss there....

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    3. I doubt that is true but, perhaps, the "greater fool" theory is in play here. It's incredibly easy to buy a million dinar for a thousand dollars or less. Why would anyone in their right mind pay $5 each? Even a deluded dinarian wouldn't be so foolish. I am highly skeptical. More likely, it is probably an agreement to purchase dinar at $5 each WHEN the RV occurs. A lot of the clowns use these BS agreements to keep the natives from getting restless. They think they're getting their cash-out. In reality, they're getting nothing. The dinar, of course, is not going to RV so the agreement is meaningless. It's the same concept behind these worthless VIP memberships that Montana sells. For some people, as long as they THINK they're getting a great deal, they're happy. Very often, they will also require a non-disclosure agreement to give it a sense of secrecy and exclusivity. But the whole point of the NDA is to keep people from talking to others about it for fear they will tell them how stupid the deal is. Currency exchange is not a top secret financial transaction. It happens millions of times every day with dozens of different currencies. The exchange is straightforward and completely transparent. If two identical transactions occurred simultaneously on opposite sides of the earth the exchange rate would be virtually identical. The only difference in the rate would be due to the exchange's spread. Don't believe the hype!

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    4. You're certainly correct that there are people out there dumb enough to bet on the dinar going to 30 dollars plus each.

      But I don't think anyone on the planet is dumb enough to pay 5 dollars per dinar when they can buy as much as they want for less than 1/10th of a cent from eBay and dealers. And not only that dumb, but that rich, in order to pay a staggering 125,000 USD for a single 25,000 dinar note.

      I just looked and there are over 2300 adds on eBay if you search for "Iraq dinar". If they average 100,000 dinar each, that's over 200 million for sale on eBay at any given moment. Plus I guarantee that there are dealers willing to sell you hundreds of millions or billions at a moments notice.

      As networth pointed out, it's likely this is merely a contract to purchase dinar at 5 USD if it RVs at over 5 USD. I.e. a useless contract that will never be fulfilled.

      But it's also possible that it's another scam, and your ex will end up handing over his dinar and only getting a piece of paper in exchange or something similar, and then he'll never see his dinar again.

      There was a guy on DV (and on dinardaily.net, may be the same guy) saying that he was exchanging his dinar for an SKR and that he'd be a millionaire on a beach before the end of 2013, but he had to sign an NDA so he wouldn't be posting any longer. And I believe, true to his word, he hasn't posted at either location that I've seen. Did he really cash out through some convoluted deal like your husband seems to think is going to happen for him?

      No. He either:
      1. Is still sitting around waiting and is silly enough to feel bound by the NDA.
      2. Has been scammed and is too embarrassed to admit it on the dinar forums.
      3. Is a pumper himself and the whole story was just a load to hype up the sheeple (I personally doubt this, in this case).
      4. He's in an unmarked grave somewhere and felons have his dinar.

      I don't think 4 is particularly likely, but I wouldn't discount it as impossible either. This guy said he and his partners were going to be "cashing in" 200 million dinar. That's $172,000 at the official rate, more at the "street rate" in the US (and of course less at the street rate in Iraq, lol). That is about 40 times the average bank robbery take, so if you don't think there are some people out there willing to go to great lengths to get their hands on that kind of cash, I'd think again.

      Of course most people would never in their lives think about transporting 172 grand worth of easily liquifiable and relatively untraceable assets in the trunk of their car to a meeting with some "finance guys", but keep in mind these are dinarians we're talking about, and not just run of the mill dinarians, but dinarians that think they are going to get some kind of secret under the table deal worth billions even though the dinar is still worth 1/10th of a cent. In other words, these are literally some of the most gullible people on the planet.

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  17. Dmp.........why would anyone buy your exs dinar for 5.00 a piece when they can buy a billion of them at 1166 a piece tomorrow if they wanted? Your ex is seriously delusional if he thinks ANYONE is going to give him 5.00 a piece for his super inflated Iraqi dinar. Its funny to that he has to resort to "cashing out" at 5. Lol.....thats a 500,000% return on his investment. If only he would wait for Tonys 35 dollar rate then he could make a lot more. Haha.....this scam is humorous at times.

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  18. I asked the same questions. Someone as delusional as the rest of them. They are out there

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  19. I don't normally re-post from from DV or other sites except for short quotes but this post just hit me as so incredibly dumb I wanted to bring it over as an example of "RV blindness"! This person has obviously done some real research here but totally ignores common sense and reasoning when tying to comprehend what he/she was reading only to come to the conclusion that Iraq and Vietnam simply are in no hurry to "RV",


    "I hate to bring statistics like this to the forefront but I was looking over the historical data for the USD/IQD and USD/VND rates over the last five years.

    It's about time these idiots in Iraq and Vietnam get their monetary act together already. We have been going nowhere at a snails pace for the last 5 years. I don't think either country really gives a hoot if they revalue or not. Most of your gurus are claiming that one event or another is going to cause the IQD to revalue or the VND to gain value. Every little item is going to cause an RV..... bull! Time to look at this from a birds eye view and not get stuck in the day to day minutia.

    Over the past 5 years there have been numerous events or milestones accomplished and still nothing.

    See for yourselves. This just ticks me off.

    Id be happy if the IQD would become tradeable at any rate. Just do it already".


    This person says, "These idiots in IRAQ and VIETNAM need to get their monetary act together"????? Lol! But the conclusion he/she reached that "I don't think either country really gives a hoot if they revalue or not" is really telling about just how deeply rooted the "RV" sales pitch has become, these people don't even question the possibility that this mythical "RV" is just not going to happen!


    "I don't think either country really gives a hoot if they revalue or not", Duhh, could there be a more logical conclusion there??

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    1. dwm009 - It's about time these idiots in Iraq and Vietnam get their monetary act together already. We have been going nowhere at a snails pace for the last 5 years.

      Probably because the Iraqi Dinar and Vietnamese Dong are both already fairly valued and don't "deserve" to be anywhere other than where they're at given their massive respective 85tn Dinar and 3,519tn Dong money supplies...

      These people seem pathologically incapable of understanding what inflation is, or why a fall in inflation simply means a reduction in the future devaluation of that currency, not a DEflationary shrinking of the existing money supply (which would cripple the economy)...

      dwm009 - "Duhh, could there be a more logical conclusion there??"

      Only "naysayers" use logic ;-)

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  20. Stupidity at it's finest, the RD explained!!!!!!

    From Dontlop (the real Dontlop),

    "The central bank announced earlier that the project to delete the three zeroes from the Iraqi currency will be transferred from the country of billions to trillions.

    Read more: http://dinarvets.com.../#ixzz2uPx8kN00



    See it's going from billions to trillions

    Right now they got 80 billion dollars worth of dinar

    Soon they will have 80 trillion dollars worth of dinar"


    Ok 80 TRILLION dollars worth of Dinar??????? Does this idiot have any idea what he's saying?

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    1. But if your audience is a bunch of ignoramuses, nobody will know how stupid it is! It's the golden goose of this scam. As long as your audience doesn't know any better, you can tell them anything and they'll believe it. Their greed or financial desperation will filter everything for them. It doesn't matter if $80 trillion is more than 7 times the entire US monetary supply. It doesn't matter if $80 trillion is more than the entire monetary suply of the world. If nobody knows that, it doesn't matter how preposterous it is. You look like a genius because the greed googles your audience wears only allows information to be accepted that they WANT to be true. Since you're telling them what they want to be true, it will be accepted as true. Common sense takes the back seat once greed becomes the driver of your brain.

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  21. LOL. Just a "heads up" - our favourite banned troll "Dinar Believer" has been caught out posting under a fake name "Patel" on Baghdad Invest. When GT5Junkie outed him, he started screaming like a teenager. Scroll down near the bottom:-
    http://www.baghdadinvest.com/sell-your-iraqi-dinar/

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    1. Lol!!! I just clicked that link and spent an amusing half hour reading, some of those people are even more clueless than the DV bunch but they don't stand a chance against the likes of GT5junkie, Marcus Curtis and a few others! GT5 burned DB's arse BIGTIME but that idiot never learns, I just about choked up and spit coffee all over my keyboard when I read GT's response to DB's suggestion about the cleaning utensils, that was classic!!!!!!

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  22. Dontlop knows exactly what he is saying. He says whatever will give his clueless victims false hope.

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    1. I'm not so sure. Much of what he says is just incoherent even ignoring the nonsensical nature of the message. I wouldn't be surprised if he's wasted half the time. He often seems mostly engaged in the cyber equivalent of holding his hands over his ears and yelling "I'm not listening" to prevent any possible information to sneak past his defenses that might threaten his fantasy. He does't seem to me to be engaged in peddling the message so much as feeding it back to himself.

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  23. IQD is not the only thing folks get wrong over at DV. Darn says (http://snipurl.com/28mrdyi)
    "It wasn't the coins fault.... It was purely the exchange... I think most people realize that.

    Which is why it didn't take the beating some would have expected."

    According to the IEEE (which I'd have to say is an extremely reliable source off information around technical issues), we do not know (as of Feb 13th) just what part MtGox played, behind not employing as much extra checking as they might have done, but also that this IS a clear protocol flaw though also not a very big one and does not allow others to steal your coins. Given the volume of attempted exploits of this bug currently going on it IS likely however that your bitcoin wallet might report false balances over some as yet unknown period until it is all straightened out. Read more http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/computing/networks/what-you-need-to-know-about-mt-gox-and-the-bitcoin-software-flaw

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