And to all you gurus - take notice. The dinar scam is coming under increasing scrutiny. It's just a matter of time until the US media picks this story up. You can roll the dice like TNT Tony did or you can move on before it's too late.
-Sam
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-26187471
O Sam........its all just smoke from the PTB media to keep people from "investing" in dinar. Lol....probably "lopsters" with multiple screen names behind the deception.
ReplyDeleteIn all seriousness this is good news that is good to finally see.
What is it going to take to get the US media to pick up on this mess and take it seriously? I know some such as CNN have touched on it but they often do more harm than good with the reporters seemingly as clueless as the suckers, it was Fox or CNN (a couple of years ago, maybe someone remembers this) did a short on-the-air bit that focused mostly on warning people not to buy the old Saddam dinars! When the question was asked about what people should do with their Dinars if they felt they had been scammed one of the reporters even joked "send them to me"!
ReplyDeleteOMG this article nails it! Perfectly reported. As one who has been living in this nightmare for last two years, I could not have written a more accurate story myself!
ReplyDeleteI'm going to send this link to my ex. I'm always a little hesitant tho as I fear if he ever really does "get it" what he might do....
Your ex will most likely never "get it" completely... If you spend some time reading the responses on DV (http://dinarvets.com/forums/index.php?/topic/172425-bbctrending-wearethepeople-and-the-fraudulent-dinar-ruse/#ixzz2tPEE6Dyw) and/or other scam websites to this particular article, you will quickly realize that the Dinar apologists are literally brainwashed. They seem to state that the actual currency is not a scam and that a gradual increase in the value of the Dinar represents a valid investment.
DeleteThese points may be well-founded, however, the obvious sad fact is that all of these 'investors' initially were duped by unbelievable returns (1,000,000%, etc.) and seem to have shifted to opining instead about this gradual up-tick in currency value. What they fail to take into account is that the gains of this gradual increase are marginal at best and when hedged against inflation and the omnipotent and usury 'dealer fees' tend to completely wipe out or reverse their initial investment (I honestly hate to even call it an 'investment' - this word should be used sparingly and only respecting valid financial vehicles).
Of course, these same dunces find solace in stating the above to simply project confidence to the outside world and make it easier to look at themselves in the mirror without laughing and/or crying. Believe you me, each and every person invested in the Dinar envisions themselves as multi-millionaires sipping fine wines on a private beach in some tax-sheltered third-world shithole. I do tend to believe that a majority actually have a searing feeling of doubt deep inside of their bellies (since most lack a properly-functioning brain), and are too invested in this BS to acknowledge the same. Instead, spouting some marginally-accurate BS enables them to overcome and ignore those feelings and concentrate on the next guru screed (of which every single one rings categorically hollow). There is a very sad sad psychological enigma at play here and it actually gives me douche-chills when reading some of the posts on other forums. It also makes me feel pity for the vast majority of Dinarians and anger towards the douchebags propagating this entire mess.
Lol at easyriders response to this:
ReplyDeletehaha i am definitely NOT believing BBC thats for damn sure. I trust who i know and who i talk to that ARE NOT gurus.
. The dinar has been stable since 2010, and - say economists - if is revalued then it is more likely to go down against the dollar than up."
Read more: http://dinarvets.com/forums/index.php?/topic/172425-bbctrending-wearethepeople-and-the-fraudulent-dinar-ruse/#ixzz2tPEE6Dyw
This is the guy who said frank and delta were legit. Lol. Easy is by far the biggest tool/imbecile on dinar vets.
He has staked his position so strongly his ego won't allow him to change (even if he knows he is wrong). He risks destroying his reputation if he changes now. Even though he is wrong, it's better to let it play out and blame the outcome on some obscure or unpredictable person or event than admit he was wrong, even if it means hurting more people by continuing to suck them into the scam. Ego is far more important than result. That's why these scams like this ruin relationships. It's easier to destroy a single relationship than risk destroying a reputation in front of dozens or hundreds of other people. It's a very common problem in these types of scams.
DeleteHe knows he's wrong, they ALL do! How could they not know? I am not saying they are all lying pumpers, it's not that at all, it's just that knowing they are wrong and admitting it to themselves is just something their state of denial will not allow them to do. Most of them will still not admit they were wrong even when it's finally over and as you so correctly point out, and as has been said multiple times already, they will simply find some obscure and stupid excuse which will be easy for them to do since after all they have had a lot of practice doing just that!
Deletelol i am on the chat saying the iraq dinar wont make anyone millionaires and also posting links saying they plan on redenominating there currency
ReplyDeleteAnd of course the delusioned on DV are calling the BBC report a conspiracy and smoke. Big surprise there. They are saying that they will lie and deny and then......boom....RV. Lol.....the thing they fail to understand is that there is no such thing as a "RV" like they have been brainwashed into believing. Where did the whole notion even come from that nations can print tens of trillions of units of currency then just declare them worth whatever they say? Have these economically challenged even stopped to ask themselves why all countries dont do it every day? Geeze.....its simple common sense.
ReplyDeleteLove it when they say "We were told there would be a lot of negative stories the closer we get"
ReplyDeleteThey don't even think about WHO it was that told them that.
Common sense and dinar forums should never be mentioned in the same sentence.
I sent the link to the ex. His reply the same as others reported here. His exact response? The article is a "puff" piece and "doesn't even come close" to what he and the elect know as truth
ReplyDeleteBTW, he also asked me stay out of his way this weekend as he has iintense international business to monitor and deal with
Douche-chills...!
DeleteI got a kick out of the fact that the BBC found 50%-80% of TNT Tony's twitter followers are fake (zombie or robot accounts created just to sell to people to increased their followers number). If your actual goal is just to share this "blessing" what possible need would you have to buy followers?
ReplyDeleteIsn't the answer to your question obvious? Scam artists like TNT Tony require a certain level of panache in order to continue spouting BS and actually maintain a base of loyal followers. The "smoke-and-mirrors" is not propagated by the banks, governments, and news organizations, but rather by the pumpers and scammers themselves. Remember, blindly following each and every word of some anonymous internet-hero is much easier if you have evidence of 250,000 other people doing the same. I doubt his twitter account would even move the needle if the fake followers were to be deleted.
DeleteOf course the answer is obvious, I was being sarcastic.
DeleteGet a load of this guys, after the BBC article came out today, this is something that was posted on the TNT Tony site, I find it unbelievable. This is almost to much!!!
ReplyDeletePam was on a call that I was on about 2 hours ago, she is extremely elated about something. She says we would be excited too if we knew what she knew. Pam has never been this excited and expectant as I heard her today, she reminded me of my grandchildren on Christmas Eve. She sees what Tony goes through each day when he is passionately fighting for us to be treated fairly. Her exact words were, "You guys need to pray for that guy. " Everyone who reads this post, please include this prayer for Tony and his entire team.
Lord, I thank you for choosing Tony to lead us through this process. I listen at how he responds sometimes to people whose main purpose is to try and stump him and to back him into a corner. I am shocked at how he finds the words to answer their questions with so much love and compassion, that I see You in him then, I know without a doubt, he is an extension of your voice and hands. Father, I know that he is not perfect and he knows that he is not perfect, but I haven't seen a person besides Your Son Jesus Christ that You have used for Your Glory who fits the "Perfect Person" description.
Father God, I asked for Your divine protection for him, his family and the entire TNT team. "In the Mighty Name of Jesus."
Amen!!!
Let's rewind the tape. 12-31-2011 Guru TonyTNT the news we got yesterday the rate was live YESTERDAY at 7:30 pm…that does not mean you can go out and cash out but that it is in the banking system...we got confirmation that at 5pm eastern time the announcement was made...in Iraq so they were truly celebrating...I called a bunch of people & confirmed it, 3 letter agencies & people in Iraq...CBI should update tomorrow...IT IS GOOD NEWS
DeleteAnyone who would continue to believe a word that comes out of that idiot's mouth should be shot for stupidity. That is a sample of hundreds of similar such posts.
And here we go again with poopy and his usual weekend feel good stories
ReplyDeletePoppy3 ~ QUICK NOTE—I WAS JUST CALLED BY WHAT HAS BEEN A VERY GOOD SOURCE. HE JUST TOLD ME THAT WE HAVE A GREAT WINDOW THAT WILL OPEN TOMORROW EVENING SATURDAY AROUND 3PM AND RUN FOR 72 HOURS OR SO. THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE RV COULD TAKE PLACE.
HE SAID THIS FAKE HEART ATTACK HAS BEEN JUST A PLOY TO DEFER ACTIONS AND DELAY MEETINGS REGARDING THE RE-VALUATION. HE SAYS ALL THE BANKS ARE NOW HOLDING THE LOWER DENOM AGAIN AND WHEN THEY WERE RE-DISTRIBUTED THIS TIME THE BANKS HAVE BEEN PROMISED THEY WOULD BE USABLE VERY SOON AND WOULD NOT BE RECALLED THIS TIME.
HE ALSO SAYS NO ONE, INCLUDING ALL HIS POLITICAL FRIENDS THAT HE IS AROUND ALMOST DAILY – SAID ABSOLUTELY NO ONE HAS CASHED OUT AND THOSE PEOPLE TALKING – SAYING SOME POLITICIAN AND WHALES HAVE ARE FULL OF *******. OF COURSE I HAD REPORTED THIS TO ALL OF YOU MANY TIMES.
GUYS ALONG WITH THE GREAT NEWS ARTICLES AND THE REPORTS FROM CHATTELS, BGG AND MILLIONDAY – THE MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENTS TO BE MADE ON SUNDAY IS VERY REASSURING FOR ALL OF US. ~ POPPY3
And today's poopy BS
DeletePoppy3 - I HAVE RECEIVED NO LESS THAN THREE MORE CALLS TODAY ALL TELLING ME THIS WILL BE A GREAT WEEK. I HAVE RECEIVED THESE MESSAGES FROM WASHINGTON, NEW YORK, IRAQ AND TEXAS PEOPLE IN VERY STRATEGIC POSITIONS. YES I AM ENCOURAGED BECAUSE IT ALL LINES UP WELL WITH ALL THE NEWS THAT IS COMING DIRECT FROM THE IRAQ NEWS OUTLETS
I love this one.....my friend just emailed me this from dinar updates site I guess where one of the natives is getting restless .....he said........Poppy3, with all due respect, you are sounding more and more like Tony TNT. Now that makes me laugh
DeleteAnd now that final comment where the poster on dinar updates basically said poppy was no better than thc tony has now been removed from their chat log.......fancy that! BGG and poppy and their new idiot sidekick millionday are some of the biggest pumpers out there. They try to fool everyone with their different tactics but they are big time pumpers just the same! I wish sam would do another piece on them and dinar corp.
ReplyDeleteThe moderators at DV are just as clueless as most of the members. You would think with the task of weeding out any poster who posts actual truth about this scam, that such exposure would lead them to be among the first to wake up. But I guess not. It seems unlikely that Adam is making enough money to share, or that if so none would have spilled the beans by now.
ReplyDeletedjgabrielie posts (http://snipurl.com/28l9zob) this question for Adam's next chat:
"After crunching the Currency Auction Data, I come to the realization that Iraq is running on USD rather than IQD. We don't seem to be waiting on events such as Erbil, CH7/8 or the 2014 budget but rather Iraq becoming a International tradable currency. How do you feel about that?"
If Adam answers I'm sure it will be something like "Exactly! They have to RV to make the IQD attractive.".
What sort of number crunching can you do here other than add up the yearly total? If you do so you find that it is very close to Iraq's annual imports. Since the CBI docs say that the auctions are limited to import use (though its not clear how they enforce that) this looks to make sense. Further you find that this number is greater than the entire money supply so if some sort of circulation were not happening Iraq would have run out of dinars years ago. There may be more dollars being used in Iraq than the CBI would like, but most of the auctioned dollars leave the country. So djgabrielie's realization is clearly false and not supported by the data he claims to have crunched. Is it an intentional lie/softball for the head scammer or is he/she really that confused?
The question also slips in the ongoing believer myth that the IQD is not internationally traded due to missing some needed checklist item with some mythical global currency regulator, as opposed to the simply fact that with no trade being conducted in IQD, no one cares (a situation that is not going to change for a very long time even if Iraq's economy does very well for a long time). I'm sure Adam will not be calling that out either.
Small correction. Iraq's imports per year are about 50B USD so it would take about 18 months to cycle the amount equal to the money supply (and they do about 800M-1B USD auctions per week, so this likely means the GOI does some importing directly with the dollars it gets from oil).
DeleteFrom the BBC story:
ReplyDelete" As long as there is no connection - and no kick-backs - between the "dinar dealers" and those encouraging people to buy them, then this is all 100% legal. In TNT Tony's case, there is nothing we have seen that would suggest he operating outside the law."
I've thought this was the case all along, but it still leaves me wondering how in the heck Roger Dorman gets away with having his Dinar Daddy website pushing every lie and pump of the dinar while him and his wife sell dinar through Treasury Vault.
Prosecutions often take years to develop so we all we know is that Dorman has gotten away with it so far. The article doesn't say all the pumpers fall into this legal category, but only "as long as ...". Its also not clear to me that this statement is correct. The dealers know where their click though ads are being posted, even if they let anyone do it. So there is a connection here, even if it is not a "formal conspiracy" so to speak. Further even if the criminal courts have to let it go, the civil courts might tell quite a different story.
ReplyDeleteI could be wrong, but I'm pretty sue Roger was supplying dinar to Rudy and his buddies who got indicted. I would have thought the authorities would have taken a close look at him at that time. Maybe they simply were not aware that he is Dinar Daddy.
ReplyDeleteRoger has ego. Presenting self as economic newscaster. In reality is web funny page producer :) GO ROGER LoL!
DeleteI guess the comments against liar poopy and idiot milionday must have ruffled feathers over at dinar corp updates. LOL
ReplyDeleteHere is their new rules my room mate emailed me.......they have to keep the sheeple in line over there.
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Hi there Hola, good to see you posting. Please do so more often!
ReplyDeleteI typed up a debunking of a post from TLAR making the rounds, that I found particularly annoying in its massive nonsense but, it got a bit too long to fit into a post here so I stuck in my mostly unused blogger page (you can click on jrg in the header or go direct via http://snipurl.com/28lep1d)
ReplyDeleteThat was great, jrg! Do you mind if I use it for a post? I had a little trouble getting it to load so I think more people would be able to read it here. Also, I never did manage to get your Seasons Greetings comment link to work.
DeleteI could no access that page JRG, can you post it here even if its long? tlar is stuck on stupid so I want to see what you said. thanks
DeleteAlso tried the link jrg... didn't seem to work for me either. I would love to read it as well...
DeleteCan't get to your rebuttal of TLAR.
DeleteSure, be my guest. Yea I'm not surprised the blog has issues, I've hardly ever used it. Thanks for the pointers I'll try and fix it up.
Deletenow the old moron poopy3 is telling the sheeple that Iraqis are liars and that's why their was no rv LOL....this guy is really a piece of work.
ReplyDeleteso they shut the sheeple up on their site that contradict the bgg, millionday and poopy BS, then they make up new rules to silence the sheep and keep them in line! what's hilarious is that the stupid sheep don't even know they are being controlled by those know nothing frauds! I think these guys are NO different than THC tony and his many alter egos. they just do things differently to make the sheep think they are more sincere and not complete frauds because they don't say rates or dates...(although they sure used to call it ongoing), but we still have poopy basically calling for an RV continually based on some SECRET sources here there and everywhere. I would love to have a fraudsters dunking booth and my kids upcoming carnival but would like to replace the water with muriatic acid! that would get rid of all these morons once and for all! LOL