Thursday, September 20, 2012

Dinar Indictments

"Removing Three Zeros"
Brad Huebner, Charlie Emmenecker, and
Michael Teadt doing the perp walk
 

Kudos to MrIQD for staying on top of this story for four months now.  Seems that three of the guys featured on my blog's banner have new photos on the internet, courtesy of law enforcement.  Brad Huebner, Charlie Emmenecker, and Rudolph Coenen have all been indicted on dinar-related charges.  Hopefully there are more indictments to come.  Today BGG dismissed this as "no big deal", "a little trouble", "a goofy article", and "tax trouble".  Folks these guys were charged with defrauding investors out of $23.8 million dollars in dinar sales and $700,000 from non-existent hedge fund seats.  I'd say that qualifies as a big deal.  Breitling said that it was about structuring, but there's a little more to it than that.  The article says they repeatedly made false statements to sell dinar.   If making false statements to sell dinar is a federal offense I have to assume there are more arrests coming.  And what Breitling failed to mention is that according to Brad Huebner, Breitling was part of their marketing team for LDHL (24 minutes in). 

I've been telling you for a year now that the dinar world is full of crooks.  This is just the latest example.  Of course they're all presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law by a jury of their peers.  Nobody wants to deny them their rights.  But this is the biggest development in the history of this blog, and will no doubt send reverberations throughout the dinar world.  Read the indictment in the pdf file below to see how a federal document completely debunks what gurus are saying about the dinar.


Rudy Coenen mug shot
http://www.realscam.com/attachments/f12/1576d1348185792-bayshore-capital-investments-bh-group-bhgroup_indictment.pdf (Thanks to Real Scam for providing this.  I addressed some of the lies listed in the indictment in my post "Dinar 101 - From the BH Group")

http://www.toledoblade.com/local/2012/09/21/3-local-men-face-chargesof-defrauding-investors.html

http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2012-09-20/story/ohio-indicts-jacksonville-man-iraqi-dinar-fraud-scheme#ixzz273uElQdC

http://www.13abc.com/story/19594414/local-men-charged-with-fraud-in-multi-million-dollar-scheme-to-sell-iraqi-currency

http://mriqd.com/2012/09/20/breaking-bh-group-brad-huebner-bayshore-capital-rudy-coehen-indicted-by-a-federal-grand-jury-for-fraud-schemes/#comment-89



9/21/12 UPDATE!!!   I've read through the indictment now and have had a day or so to reflect on this story.  Here are my observations.

  1. The indictment states that the CBI has expressed their intent to redenominate, not revalue.  Printing new currency and removing three zeros will be done for the sake of convenience, and won't change the value of the dinar.  (Just like we've been saying.)  Therefore promoting the dinar investment based on the presumed upcoming revaluation (#8) is fraudulent. 
  2. The indictment addresses the non-existent hedge funds.  This raises the question regarding other dinar gurus and dealers.  Does the post-RV product that they offer exist?  Is the post-RV service that they offer legit?  If the RV itself isn't legit as stated in the indictment it would be hard to imagine a post-RV product or service being legit.  So anybody using a special cash-in deal as incentive to buy into anything has to be rethinking that idea right about now.  Or any tax avoidance plan or any scheme to move revalued IQD out of the country to avoid taxes.  It will be interesting to see these guys revamp their dog and pony shows now. 
  3. The indictment states that EO13303 says nothing about the right to invest in the dinar, but refers to protection of the DFI.  This is also a point that many of us have been making for some time, and we now have official confirmation. 
  4. The indictment states that the US Treasury only holds a nominal amount of IQD for daily transactions.  Now we have evidence that they hold no IQD for investment purposes.  We've been saying all along that there is no evidence that the UST holds any dinar for any upcoming RV, but for some reason we were never quoted on Dinar Recaps, Dinar Guru, or Dinar Daddy.  Wonder why? 
  5. The indictment addresses Rudy's false claims about his background.  This raises the issue of gurus/dealers lying about their backgrounds in order to sell dinar, dinar services, dinar related products, or any other investment related product.
  6. The indictment mentions repeated lies told by the accused to sell dinar.  Anybody selling or pumping dinar for a dealer has to now realize that they could be the next ones doing the perp walk.  Review the page "Forum Facts" to see what lies they've been telling.
  7. The indictment reveals that an undercover agent bought dinar from Michael Teadt in May of 2011, so we know that the feds have been working undercover on the dinar case for over 16 months now. 
This is a good day, indeed.  We now know for a fact that the authorities weren't ignoring the situation.  They were just taking their time to build an airtight case.  My hope is that their intent was to make it so bleak for these guys that they will reveal everything that they know about the other douchebags in order to get reduced sentences, in which case I will have other arrests to report.  We can only hope.





84 comments:

  1. Its just the beginning the glory days of the pumpers are slowly but surely coming to an end. Adam "James Wolf" Montana is going to be nailed in 2013 with related fraud charges. The entire DV network will collapse.

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    1. Is this just an opinion or do you have something to share with the class?

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    2. Did anyone notice Dinarvets.com website is down.? Maybe superscammer has run for the hills with his minions money!

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    3. Its my opinion but I have noticed in the past few months that new people have been showing up to ask Adam some pertinent questions about who he is and where his info comes from. The next day they are gone and the thread or questions disappear (banned). This has been happening a lot lately. Which tells me perhaps its just more than common folk like myself probing Mr. Montana for answers pertaining to his expertise due to his extensive and impressive resume. Im sure Wolf has his hands in a lot of interesting business practices beyond DV that the feds may be or already are interested in. The fraud will most likely stem from phony VIP members who will catch him doing something financially crooked with their money (like offering other investments or services), thats most likely how he will get nailed. Hopefully It should all go down in the next year. All who were directly involved with him will be questioned. Just like these douchbags above Wolf is making alot of money based on who he is not, and I mean alot of money.

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    4. Thanks for sharing that, erin. Obviously I would be thrilled to see James Wolf doing a perp walk. And hopefully he won't skip town before the indictment is issued like mshightop alluded to.

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  2. If you pump up someone that is practicing bad business then you can't claim you didn't know. Sorry but you are still liable (look at Charlie in chains). Maybe stop reading 13303 and read the Patriot Act and SEC law. Just saying. Cut the pumping BS.

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  3. Lol this is epic. This made my day. DINARVETS.COM is down as well. I wonder how easyrider and all those sheep at DV are feeling right now. Sonny are you getting nervous yet.

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    1. Sonny is a Mexican by now. I hope he took his laptop with him so as not to leave any evidence behind.

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    2. I wonder if dinar vets members will get a refund for their VIP subscriptions lol. I've warned those clowns over and over again....all they did was praise adam. James is scared....very scared. He's been up all night deleting things. I hope people have saved his cash in guide and rv intel book as evidence.

      Sonny where are you. We miss you already. Told ya so. You guys are welcome. More to come.......YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT!!!!!!!

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    3. Well it seems that DV has brought their site back up.... what will be interesting is to see if there are any changes, or if there is anything missing that was there previously to cover tracks, or more interesting, if James's tone changes at all moving forward, of if he is arrogant enough to keep up the same charade now..

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    4. It doesn't matter Jayp. He's used lies to sell VIP. He's done. Trust me

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    5. Adam is ready in dv commenting on the arrests. Are people really that dumb to think Adam is innocent. Hmmmm let's see......news about the arrests came out and his site is down "due to maintenance"......c'mon people are you dumb. He's cleaning up his site. He's not one of these dumb gurus. He has a background with computers and is doing what he can to cover his tracks.

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    6. Here was a comment that he had on this... I am not sure if he is trying to seperate what he has been up to from what these men that were indicted have been doing when it comes to leaving information that may be less then truth:

      There are a couple of aspects here.

      1. The opinion of the federal prosecutors is just that - an opinion. They have no facts to back themselves up when they state that in their opinion the Dinar will RD. Iraq could prove them wrong tomorrow, and all they could do was backtrack and say "Oh ummm well DANG! We didn't expect that!"

      However...

      2. You can't run a hedge fund without SEC approval, and they will be found guilty there.
      3. You can't state facts (i.e. the 3.7 trillion supposedly in our government's hands) knowing they are false. (I don't expect the feds to have an accurate count on exact dinar holdings, and these prosecutors may be missing some facts.... but regardless, it looks like the BH Group simply made that figure up either way.)
      4. The money trail is so blatantly obvious it's almost comical - these clowns blatantly violated the law with their money laundering. They weren't even slightly smart about it, either.
      5. You can't tell someone that you don't have an interest in a company when you do. (I don't sell dinar, nor do I get paid by any dealers other than standard advertising which is open to all, including Google. Obviously I profit from my VIP service, but that's obvious and I don't lie about it!)

      I'm sure there's a few more points I could make, but lunch is calling.

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    7. So it sounds like James's take on it is that charges were place against this individual and the prosecutors do not even know the facts. I am sorry, but I have to completely disagree with him on this one. It is not hard to figure out that the UST does not hold trillions of Dinars..

      http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/tic/Documents/mfh.txt

      Just as I said would happen though, he is trying to separate himself from what the other pumpers are doing, yet in #5 he openly states he is profiting from the VIP service. Here is the problem, this IS the same thing that these people were doing. They were selling products based on FALSE PRETENSES to get people to buy a product from them, like lying about ther education, or background, and details regarding this currency. Here is part of the definition of Fraudulent Schemes and Artifices:

      "Any person who, pursuant to a scheme or artifice to defraud, knowingly obtains any benefit by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, promises or material omissions"
      "As used in this section, "scheme or artifice to defraud" includes a scheme or artifice to deprive a person of the intangible right of honest services. "

      I think that we can all agree that there were some very clear things regarding James's past statements that were clearly lies, such as his Harvard education, or profits made from what he wants to call a similar currency in the Kuwaiti Dinar..

      I think he needs to be a bit careful here as there is a fine line he is walking when it comes to similarities in the 2 cases as it relates to selling a good or service based on false information...

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    8. Exactly Jayp. He's done the same thing. Sam do you have James "credentials" saved as proof. Does anyone have a copy of his book and cash in guide?

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    9. I hate to burst everybody's bubble but DV was having server issues before the arrests. I don't think the two are related but we'll see.

      CFO, yes I've got a copy of both books.

      JayP I agree with everything you said. "Adam" has to know he's in deep doo doo, as well as every other guru who spread these lies who has either sold dinar or can be linked to a dinar dealer.

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    11. I honestly think that Mr Montana has been under the radar of the authorities for sometime now. Since he is one of the more clever (or so he thinks) gurus out there. I would guess they have been gathering evidence for least a couple of years. All his careless lies and self incriminating evidence blabbed all over the internet has most likely been gathered. Of course he will play the "Im an honest innocent man" card, just like he is doing now but what he does not realize that he had literally done himself in with how he handles inquisitive new members with direct questions pertaining to his identity and background (he bans them)...trust me I have plenty of evidence myself.

      I believe he still may be using Ryan Plisch as his attorney (not sure) who probably coaches him what to say when he is pressed by anyone who has a shred of intelligence. His attorney must be very stupid or is in on the profit sharing. Its all going to happen right before our very eyes. Just watch. He will be in serious trouble a year from now. The guy does not have a good track record, just check him out at the Wisconsin court records search..... lots of various issues.

      Remember he has a couple of people working under him that more or less run everything. The mods are really one or two people posing as many. From what I have gathered from the youtube vids of James Wolf himself just by the way he carries himself does not seem that intelligent to pull this off, but that just my observation.

      Someone else that posts here knows just what I am talking about but they are not talking.

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    12. why would i be nervous, i have done nothing wrong, i see you two are still really stupid.

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    14. " why would i be nervous, i have done nothing wrong, i see you two are still really stupid."

      The above poster would conveniently fall into the reference "not that intelligent" portion of my post and usually only appears in a self defensive mode which can be perceived as a pretty blatant admission of guilt. I have some other thoughts about this individual but we don't revert to name calling here.

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    15. sure what do you have? guilt? self defense, i have been on this site for 6 months, i come on here to laugh at callingfoolsout, and reeder, because they are complete zero's, and the fact that i respect sam, why dont you leave the conversation to the adults, and mind your own business. thanks

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    16. Why would someone as so wonderful, honest and good natured as yourself have anything to do with James Wolf in the first place? Unless you were a victim of his Svengali like mesmerizing.

      And one more question. Why do you keep referring to him as "Adam"? Hmm..

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  4. Easypumper is probably crying his little heart out. Clown.

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  5. This is great news. I believe this is the beginning of a great cleanup, where these dirtbags will all be joining these three in the bighouse. I am not on any dinar sites but I would love to see the massive cleanup effort underway as we speak. I can imagine SteveI hurredly writing a new disclaimer and removing banners lol. To him and the other idiots, I would say 'it's the internet, genius. All the evidence they need is saved for all time'.
    Truly a happy day.

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  6. It certainly doesn't break my heart. But I do wonder how easy it will be to win a prosecution for selling dinars. They are legal to sell (as long as they're not counterfeit). If they made assertions about the revaluation, they could simply claim they were offering their honest opinion or belief. In which case, it's probably not a crime. I've believed for quite some time that there are some very sincere (but very misguided) people involved with this thing, maybe even a couple of the pumpers. Stalin called them "useful idiots". They truly believe the dinar is going to RV and they spread the gospel accordingly. I don't know if that's true for any of these jokers but, unless there's a paper or communication trail that demonstrates otherwise, they may try to make this case and, I think, it may be difficult to prosecute them. At least, for the dinar portion of the indictment. The hedge fund portion of the indictment should be easier to prosecute. The fund never existed and the money was never returned. Either way, it's a good thing and might send a few more of the gurus scrambling for the hills.

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    1. A federal grand jury doesn't serve an 83-count indictment because they think that it will be difficult to prosecute them. They are done.

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    2. I sat on a grand jury for 18 months. Quite frankly, it's a rubber stampt for the prosecutor. The legal standard is simply a "preponderance of the evidence", not "beyond a reasonable doubt". I suspect the prosecutor threw every possible count into the indictment in anticipation of pleading down the conviction to the most serious charges. Either way, you're right, they are done.

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    3. Well in the indictment in the link from realscam.com, they are very specific about the lies regarding thier credentials, experiance, and background in order to mislead investors regarding their knowledge of this type of investment. This is definitely something that is going to get them because there is no question that they were caught in outright lies for the purpose of getting people to purchase products based on those false pretenses.

      James Wolf is no different, as we know he also lied regarding his background, education, and experiances with another currency that supposedly made him millions. These are lies he told his members to get them to purchase one product or another under false pretenses.

      The other thing to point out, is the charges of money laundering, and wire fraud. There is no question that as long as there is sufficient evidence to show they committed these crimes, and by this point I am sure there is, they are certainly going to be seeing some hard times for their crimes. I would not be surprised if this is why James Wolf has his site down. Just an assumption, but that is my guess as to why he took hiss site down... or at least if he was smart that would be why..

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    4. I hope you're right. I'd like to see all of them strung up.

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    5. What I love is that in the PDF of the indictment, Page 3 sections 7 and 8 gives a clear explanation of the difference between a revaluation and a redenomination, and explains how this group of individuals misled individuals regarding the definition of deleting 3 zeros.

      I have been debating this topic, as well as I am sure many of the readers of this site, with the likes of Kaperoni and Enorrste in particular (as well as other pumpers too of course) for quite some time. Each time a delete zeros article comes out, they use it to lie to their readers regarding the definition of this terminology and get them pumped up that the CBI is saying that there will be a 1000x increase in the rate of the Dinar. This is exactly what this indictment is saying that these individuals are doing.

      If this is not proof enough for their members that they have been outright lying or wrong, then they are definitely beyond help unfortunately. I hope that their members have a chance to read that though, so I think that it is important that they read that page in particular since it is exactly what they are being told as well...

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    6. The problem they're gonna have is that they sold dinar as an investment, they were clearly saying (as documented in the indictment) that the dinar was going to go up and quoted fake sources for that opinion. That crosses the line into being an investment adviser which they were not, and double so because they were a money service business which means they were responsible to know the difference. You can say what you want, and you can sell dinar on E-Bay while you do it more or less. But when the dealers all went and got the much touted Money Service Business permits from the Treasury, they became responsible to operate only as a money service business. What I'm hoping for is a civil case in Ohio filed today that almost is a copy/paste of the indictment but also includes both Dinar Trade and Currency Vault as defendants. In discovery the attorney could ask them "have you ever sold dinar to customers in (fill in state here)" for EVERY state that in addition to the Treasury Permit also requires a separate state license. There are 41 states that have this requirement and every time they answer "yes" they're admitting they broke the law, and most states have a per transaction fine for that, so any of the "registered with the US Treasury since 2005" sites could be looking at a $1000 fine for EVERY customer they sold dinar to.
      On a side note, Rudy is also at least in theory facing 2 years and $20,000 fine for claiming to have a Purple Heart which has been a felony since 2006. ANd the hits just keep on coming!

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  7. If you've ever bought from the Bh guys, which involves Ali and Roger this lawyer in Toledo wants to start a class action suit. There is your .003 (3 times return. ROFL! http://www.pigottlaw.com/Iraqi-Dinar-Scam

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    1. The house of cards is falling...i have maintained it would begin to happen late 2012 into early 2013. DV is one of the last to begin to fell the heat. The many hateful and ignorant members there such as 'easyrider' and a host of others who pump for frank and delta, breitling, kaperoni, bondlady who is actually beth ogle aka miskebam, aka the list goes on, etc., and then trash talk anyone who tries to actually tell the truth is sickening.

      Then you have Sonny1 who for 2 years has been one of the people who have been at the root cause of the division at DV by his own words and actions, name calling and promoting this atmosphere in his 'drive by chats' where he has nothing to say but instigate members against each other and those he calls "cindy loppers". Sonny1 actually said in one of his 'drive by and get the crowd pumped up chats' that the "cindy loppers" were ruining the whole dinar experience! LOL...apparently they were ruining it because they were actually trying to tell the truth, and that cannot be tolerated when lies are all that support everything dinar. go to DV and search his posts...his words speak for themselves, and Sonny1 cannot deny his actions, but I do hope he realizes what is happening and cuts his ties with James Wolf, and stops playing the game. he has for the most part stopped posting at DV...he says it is because of the bashing and name calling...the VERY thing HE promoted for years!

      I know at least one of the people who turned the BH group in...he told me what he was doing, he named their names, and he knew their hedge fund was a scam, along with their "intel". Nice to see the fruit of someone who cared enough to report the frauds, and there is more to come. I just hope more people will wake up and stop allowing themselves to be lied to and continue to be victims of this scam.

      So much I could say, but why bother...time will tell the story, and I pray folks will stop being hurt by these frauds and their constant daily, weekly, monthly lies.

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  8. Sam.. Thanks for the update and your synopsis of the indictment. The funny thing though, is where there is a case to be made here regarding your point #2, it makes me wonder if they can then go after those people that were also selling tickets and non-refundable reservation deposits for Post-RV parties if you guys remember those. I believe the GET team was one of the groups that were in on that little scam. It would seem to me that this falls perfectly within the scope of that particular part of the similar crimes this group was indicted on..

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  9. It would appear James Wolf is more than a tad nervous. He spent much of the afternoon today hovering at DV and trying to play "I'm the good one" with every body. Just follow the actions since this story broke. He takes the site down last night, of course 'maintenance', today he himself posts the same article that was posted by a member 'Rayzur', he takes the time to respond to a few posts, then hovers for hours watching, reading, etc. Why? He is always in such a rush and says he is a busy man, but for some reason, today he was hovering. The guy is biting his nails, because he knows that more than a few on DV actually know who he is, and they are just waiting and watching to see what happens on his end. Of course, in the mean time 'easyrider' shows up and licks at his heels, as he does frank and delta, and just like old easy he starts his arrogant comments. Most cannot handle the fact that the UST holds nothing of IQD other than as reserves from oil exporters which includes Iraq, and the amount is 260 billion or so? Where are the guru figures and forum fact figures of trillions? What about all the worlds governments holding 'trillions'? China? According to 'easyrider', he says he "knows for a fact that China holds a lot of dinar"...he does does he? Frank must have told him that one. these lies will not stop yet, because without them, the truth screams much louder, so people must keep them alive.

    It is nothing but an empty den of lies that will live on until the whole scam comes falling apart under the weight of its own hype. I suspect that DV will simply soon disappear. Along with it, a lot of money paid in by the faithful VIP crowd who think they are on top of it all. Adam must giggle at these folks as he graciously takes their money. yes, James Wolf has enough to be nervous about, and the easiest thing he can do is to simply pull the plug on his web site dynasty, and he just may do it soon. Wolf has created the same aura of deception as many others who have made a living off the backs of the unsuspecting and uninformed, and by now it should be getting a whole lot more obvious. I am still waiting for Sonny1 to show up and assist in comforting the unsettled crowd at DV, just like when Wolf contacts him to have a drive by chat to encourage the faithful. By the way, a poster posted a link to this site today at DV, and it was quickly edited out by 'texas granny' a moderator, then a post by 'bamajack75' who directly asked a question regarding Montana was also removed. this 'bamajack' asked what happened to their post, and 'texas granny' quickly let them know it was 'against forum rules' and if they did not like it, they could find another site.' 'bamajack75' was asking an honest question about how credible Montana is because this site had a lot written about him and this poster was concerned. Funny how now it is all gone. Apparently truth is against forum rules.

    The truth is starting to hit home. There is enough intelligent folks at DV that will soon add up all the nonsense over the last year and realize they were duped, then the dynasty will disappear. But seeing how the attention span over there is about 10 seconds, this will blow over soon enough, and it will go back to focusing on more rumors. How grand! No doubt, the dinar delusion is looking a little cracked and worn and beaten about right now. I guess those negative posters who have tried to tell the truth should have maybe been paid a little more attention to. But most are now banned, but they tried. Why does it take so long for some folks to add up 1 + 1 and see what is going on? I forgot, it is a dinar forum, logic and facts have no place within these cages.

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    1. Much as I hate to say it, but if James Wolf truly hasn't taken any money from dealers, his VIP scam isn't going to get him into trouble. He sells an information service and it's not illegal to sell bad information. Of course, if he's getting some non advertising payments from dealers, that's another thing. Also, I don't know many details about what he's been selling on the Post RV things, that might get him a little attention if he's taken money for anything related to financing or setting up accounts in foreign banks etc...

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    2. F8 I was leaning that way until I read this indictment. If Rudy is being charged for lying about his background to sell dinar, why couldn't James Wolf be charged for lying about his background to sell VIP? Is it just because the dinar is considered a scam and VIP isn't? Help me out here.

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    3. Sam, if he's been taking money in exchange for "advice" for setting up foreign bank accounts on the premise of a 100,000% increase in wealth overnight, I think he's still leaving himself wide open, partly because it's still deliberately false advice, and partly because there's a lot of pseudo-legal BS regarding tax evasion as the reason for that advice. A similar example is "DinarDaddy's" "LLC" thing he was promoting a while back. Back in the real world, a lot of people have learned the hard-way that simply setting up an LLC (Limited Liability Company) doesn't make you magically immune to debts taken out / taxes owed under that LLC, especially if the LLC was set up primarily for that purpose of debt / tax evasion and has no other reasonable visible tangible purpose, and more so if there are no other names other than your own on it.

      I think a lot of pumpers selling "post RV services" (especially offshore tax evasion related) are going to be in for quite a surprise if they think they're magically immune purely because they didn't sell the Dinar directly.

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    4. Well briansimpson65... this could be why DinarDaddy's dinar sales company "Treasury Vault was included in the civil suit that was just opened against him and other dinar dealers.. I think that that they are all about to get hit pretty hard if they had any part in any dishonest business tactics to generate sales...

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    5. Sam, the indictment is relying on a few things for the dinar things to be germane. First, they are saying Dinar, when marketed as in investment, is a security. Like I said, you can sell Dinar on E-bay all day long and they won't be able to make it stick. You can EXCHANGE dinar as a business, with a reasonable markup, as long as you stick to just exchanging currency, even without the Treasury permit, to a point, and not across state lines (which gives the Federal Government jurisdiction) but when you market an investment, that is, you make statements about the future value potential of what your selling, it's the forward looking statements you make that get you in trouble. If the statements are absolutely true, you'd still be in trouble, because marketing any investment to the public requires you be a registered investment adviser. It's to combination of selling a thing AND making statements that it has potential to increase in value that gets you in trouble. The combination of the two acts is the problem. A laymen selling on E-Bay may be technically breaking the law if he does both, but realistically he's not gonna get in trouble. He could but he won't, just reality. I can drive 5 MPH over the speed limit all day long and I'm breaking the law but the risk of getting pulled over for 70 in a 65 is pretty low.
      The problem Brad has with the dinar sales is he was pretty blatant about the big gains, and the things he was saying were demonstrably untrue. If they were true his problem would be just unlicensed sale of securities, but being untrue makes them fraudulent sales.
      Now James doesn't sell dinar. Or we don't have any proof he does or that he's being paid by dealers. His VIP may just be him spitballing ideas and delusions. Not illegal to talk about how to avoid taxes on the unicorn dust or dinar profits. Stpid, you betcha, but stupid is still legal. Now, if he's taking money for his ideas, still not illegal, if the money is just for the talk and ideas.. I've never been to the super secret VIP room but one thing I heard about it is it's basically a place for him to upsell even more stupid ideas. This is still okay. So is selling pictures of UFOs if they're real or not. But selling financial services, if he does so, is another matter, and if he took any money for some future event (like special cash in treatment) he broke the law. If he just sells tickets to go to Costa Rica with him when they all get rich, that's okay. If he pre sold LLCs maybe, maybe not. I think, not sure but I think, he did sell things like that, but I also seem to recall he was referring you to some service like LAWYERS.COM and just getting a commission, which would be okay if the service was legally competent to prepare those things, which may mean you have to be an attorney or just have some license, depends on the local laws where it was done.

      He can also sell his advice on how to set up bank accounts and stuff, as long as he isn't handling the money to do so. For the selling tax evasion strategies, well, that requires some tax being evaded, and as the DINAR hasn't RV'd yet, he's safe there. Or could be. It's not illegal to lie to sell your free speech, but when you sell financial instruments, you have to be registered in most cases, and you can't sell them based upon lies. I think he's safe because he doesn't sell dinar. He might have technical problems based upon how legit his vendors are for the services he pimps, and if he isn't getting paid by the dealers, (outside of advertising) he's not really doing anything illegal, or at least not to the extant that he should be worried.
      But if the criminal case is successful it'll hurt him, if in addition the civil case is somewhat successful, his business model is toast.

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    6. F8:

      One, James isn't just selling advice or his opinion (which is also what HE is claiming on DV as he tries to do damage control and cover his a$$ further). The big draws on VIP service aren't listening to his idiotic opinions and misleading/false statements (which there are plenty of), they are 1. a preferential exchange rate based on his agreements with banks (anyone seen a contract? Anyone think one actually exists?), and also the promise of great returns on post RV investments. He's not just selling info with VIP, he's also selling post RV services. What's the difference between Rudy selling a post RV hedge fund placement and James selling other non-hedge fund post RV investments (and his preferential rate nonsense)?

      I don't believe Rudy et. al. ever claimed the hedge fund existed right now and people would start seeing returns before the RV, it was always a post RV thing, exactly like the majority of James VIP "services".

      2. He gets money, for advertisement, from dinar dealers. I remember him asking his members whether they cared or not if the ad money was directly from the dealers, or if it was filtered through Google ads. Pretty sure the end result of that was that he's getting money directly from the dinar dealers, but even if it's filtered through google ads I'm not sure that it's legal. Doesn't seem like it would matter if there's a middleman in the advertising, James knows he has dinar ads on his site and he's making misleading and false statements about the dinar (plus it appears lying about his background). Therefore he's getting paid by dinar dealers for making misleading and/or false statements about the dinar. Sounds illegal to me. Sure, he's done a better job covering his a$$ than most of them, and I'm sure when/if he gets indicted he'll just claim he was stupid rather than dishonest/fraudulent, but I personally don't think he's off the hook, based on what I've seen.

      3. James claims (as recently as this morning) he's not acting as an investment advisor with regards to the dinar, only expressing his opinion. Why would he claim that? Is he worried about getting in trouble for doing that? Let's see, he's taking money from people, for expressing his opinion, ABOUT AN INVESTMENT. How is that not acting as an investment advisor?

      As far as I'm concerned James is THE WORST guru. Almost all the other gurus are morons and the garbage they spew could only appeal to morons, and from my experience you can't really protect morons from themselves. If it wasn't these guys and the dinar, it'd be someone else with a non existent diamond mine, or someone with a pyramid scam, or someone with a handful of magic beans.

      James, on the other hand, is at least smart enough he knows he needs to at least make an effort to cover his a$$, legally, with regards to all this nonsense. Which probably means he's smart enough to know that the chance of the dinar RVing to even 1 cent is zero. His patter is still complete BS and nonsense, but compared to the other guys it's tempered enough that it SEEMS reasonable, and therefore draws in people that WOULDN'T be suckered in by the likes of Okie and Breitling. Go to DV and see how many instances you can find of his flock of sheep praising him for his prediction of a "small, modest, reasonable" RV of only 10 cents (only 11,600%!!!!). It's sickening.

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  10. i invite any law agent to question me, it would be a 45 second waste of time, as i never sold dinar, or made any profit off of the dinar, sam i am has all my info, and i cant believe he isnt somewhat defending me, but it is what it is. to the person who is saying i was dividing adam's site, i was getting sick of all the unproductive chatter, and me saying the term cindy loppers is no different then the 2 idiots on here calling, and reeder calling me a f-ing stupid-scam-idiot, liar. lol. see my point...
    i am glad these people got arrested, if you guys go back, i have said that scammers like this have ruined this investment, and i hope they get there's

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    1. It's been a busy day or two. Not only have I had this story to follow but I've also had internet issues. But what sonny1 says is true. I haven't found any reason to believe that he has profited off the dinar or broken any laws. I don't agree with him on a few things, but that doesn't make him a crook. And yes, you can find many posts where he stated that these guys were dirty.

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    3. sonny, that last sentence you wrote goes for 99% of the 'gurus' who have sites... this is going to be very entertaining to watch.

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    4. Sam I guess what I find interesting is that you state very clearly . "Please keep your comments civil and respectful. No name calling, insults, or accusations against other participants" I see that sonny1 continuously breaks these rules but you still allow him to post as if he deserves a little more consideration..?

      Anyone who was directly in contact with James Wolf and DV is going to get hammered here thats just how it is. He is an open target regardless of how honest you think he is. Yes we all break the rules from time to time but Sonny1 does it in almost every post. Why do you allow it?

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    5. Sonny1 doesn't usually start the pissing match. When somebody makes a remark about him I feel that he has a right to respond. Short of removing all of the comments between these guys I don't know what else to do. Now maybe you see why I'm getting tired of doing this blog? But it's stories like this one that make it worthwhile.

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    6. True Sam, and I can imagine it is very difficult to know where to draw the line. sonny1 has the right to defend himself, certainly, but he is quite capable from past experience to in fact feed into a pissing match that truly is non productive to begin with. yes, I can understand how you get tired of the blog, but keep in mind, you have done invaluable work and have assisted in helping many folks understand the criminal element within the dinar.

      Now the fruit of your efforts are being seen, and I hope justice is served for these guys who purposely lied and took advantage of so many people. 23.8 million is nothing to sneeze at, but now their little dynasty is torn down due to the truth being published and some people standing up against their crimes. Thank you for playing an integral part of the process by exposing the dark side of the dinar, and those who have toyed and manipulated people long enough. I am telling you now, it is just getting started, I can only imagine there are more than a few nervous fraudsters tonight than there were a few days ago. In a way, it is kind of comical. Many have tried to blow all of this talk off by saying things like 'there will never be law suits because there is no way to find these guys or who they are', etc. They were wrong, and they ARE found out and so will many others whose flocks are getting sick and tired of hearing the same lies day in and day out. There is no such ting any more in regards to total anonymity within the internet. There has been a lot of change the last 4 years or so within the internet, it is easier now than just a even a year ago to track down the origins of these schemers, and thankfully we are seeing the fruit of so many good peoples efforts begin to come to light.

      Thank you!

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  11. Sonny's drive by's were stricly for damage control. You know when the lopsters would get out of hand.

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  12. Just to clarify, leadtofall51, Miskebam is NOT bondlady.

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  13. Sonny1 has made a number (thousands) of false claims about the dinar. They are well documented on the web. Here’s just one link. http://dinardiscussions.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=18757
    Wolf looks to be a prime target for indictment. Sonny better hope there’s no money trail from Wolf to himself or he’s toast.

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    1. I don't think it was thousands, but thanks for exaggerating though. I don't know how many times I have to say that I haven't made money on this..

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  14. @Whispering299 Thank you for your comment, but I would suggest you dig a little deeper into a 'beth ogle' who runs numerous websites and the names all tie together.
    miskebam, bondlady, her bizzaredinar site states openly she is friends with 'okie' also. Do you think that is something for one to be "proud" of and actually admit to and promote?

    Also check out MrIQD.com site for a few more tidbits about beth ogle and the names she herself has used and is referred to as the puppet master. Much of the problem within the dinar stage and the hype that it has been turned into has fewer names involved than many think. A lot of the 'guru' garbage comes literally from a handful of scammers that for years just branch off into other sites, often setup by the same few people. Certainly you are entitled to defend bondlady, but there is more to her than meets the eye along with beth ogle and her other names/sites. I admit, sometimes digging through all of this filthy web of deceit that has been built is quite sickening, but I would rather seek the truth as best as possible. Bondlady would not be much of an issue, but the problem is not just who she is, but how she has a record of quickly running away when she is faced with some hard questions about some of the things she has said. Immediately, she either bans or belittles the questioner and then proceeds to label them which is the first trait of covering lies by turning the questioner into an immediate 'negative' influence. This is quite common in dinar related forums. I have seen numerous sites she has quickly fled when asked pointed questions, it is her style to avoid them so she has remained mostly at her own site the passed year where she has the control to extinguish honest questions that may shed a different light upon her tactics. No bashing here, it is just her own record of actions that speak for themselves, as well as so many others.

    @sonny1 (Nick) Thank you for chiming in. I think what is clear is having association with Mr. Wolf, and your past history of your own statements, could certainly be construed as having a cooperative agenda. No need to get defensive, no need to label anyone as being stupid nor is it proper for anyone to label you in that manner, but the issue in my opinion is it would be prudent to back away from Wolf before he drags you into something you would never expect. I know he is your friend, and because of that very reason, maybe it would be a good thing to be honest with Wolf and realize that although you admit and agree how these guru liars have ruined this experience, you yourself were involved in the creation of DV and that would implicate you. Wolf uses you for damage control, which means you have quite a bit of influence at DV. Use your influence in a more constructive manner than just helping to keep the show running. At least that is what it certainly appears like based upon your past posts and actions and more specifically, the timing of your posts and comments. Instead of goading certain people into a shoutfest along with the name calling, take a more objective path. You cannot take back some of the divisive things you have stated in the past, but you can take a different path and prove the integrity you say that you have. Only YOU are able to do that.

    Too many people have been hurt, there is no need to keep playing the game on behalf of your friend who may not be totally open and honest with you about some of the things he may or may not be doing behind the scenes. the face he puts on within DV is clearly not the James Wolf others have known, and that is dangerous, both to you and to those who look up to him. Thanks again for posting, and I see no need to get defensive about this. Enough people have been hurt by too much drama, please do not feed into it. Best wishes and I hope you consider a few things above.

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    1. I don't need to dig deeper. I know Liz and I know for a fact she is not bondlady. There is an association with her and bondlady because she created her website for her. This has been hashed through in a previous post on here. As far as MrIQD site, well I wouldn't believe everything you read there. They are just headhunting and will make things up. Anyway, not trying to change your mind one way or another but wanted to make sure the record was set straight.

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    2. Thank you for your reply. I definitely do not believe all the chatter, but I do go by the actions of those who are involved. They speak for themselves and continue to feed into the frenzy while removing any potential obstacles that may threaten their revenues. Just an observation of their tactics.

      Thanks again for your insight Whispering. :)

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  15. I find it funny that sonny/nick has the need for Sam to "back" him....like that would change any of the many lies he has spewed over the years or change the opinion of those that know he his a scum bag and needs to be prosecuted (yes it's coming nick) Example...sonny has claimed many times to have contacts in the ME/Dubai that are connected and or economist and these contacts have told him many times of a pending RV...now since there never has been or will be a RV one of two things have to be true

    A. he somehow became friends with economist in Dubai that continue to lie to him...and he continues to believe them even to the point of encouraging others with this wonderful information that proves to be wrong over and over...and he never questions why the would continue to give him false information.

    or

    B. These Dubai contacts don't exist and all of these claims are simply made up exaggerations...now if this is the case what is the motive to constantly lie to the people at DV that he calls friends...now he says he never received any compensation for making these false claims...so is he only doing it to abet his friend Wolf?...it doesn't matter if he claims he didn't ever make money off of the dinar site or his lies....only his cell mate will know for sure as the truth will definitely come out.

    But you have to wonder why he would purposely hurt these folks if he wasn't making money off of it...since the RV is a big lie...if he is not making money maybe he is just mean...time will tell...but here is one of my favorite sonny1 predictions that may just come back to haunt him:

    sonny1] in a few minutes adam is posting a letter that medic got from chase
    [sonny1] ok i have had this letter since saturday night
    [sonny1] it is real
    [sonny1] i have had to call this guy as well, and i know who this guy is and have talked to him
    [sonny1] what is huge here is this, why would a vpof chase write a letter to a bunch of noones, including me
    [sonny1] and they probably had about 2-3 million dollars a year of salaries work on this unless something was up
    [sonny1] now my bud who is packed up with money (not that this matters) who has 71 million dinars
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    [sonny1] his best friend is president of a bank in new york, i will not give the bank cause you will call
    [sonny1] as i would also, so i understand
    [sonny1] but he told me that the white shirts in the bank did indeed have the rate, because he is one of them
    [sonny1] now that is all my buddy would tell me,
    [sonny1] i know that bank rumors are running rampant
    [MzzMicki] sonny, I talked with a bank officer at BofA today and they are gearing up for the RV. They all know about it
    [sonny1] MzzMicki i know
    [sonny1] but i can say on my two year old and 6 months life this is true
    [sonny1] 6 month old
    [sarah77] I heard from a reliable scource That the ri was delayed because of the bombing it will be atime of mourning maybe thur maybe the ist the rate 3.20 this info has come from chase i was told
    [tonyg] talked with chase in Florida today and they said the same thing. they r ready but waiting on city bank
    [sonny1] so back to bank letter
    [sonny1] why would the chase vp send a letter to some dude they dont know
    [sonny1] i know, i know
    [sonny1] because they, first of all want all our damn money, second they know what is up
    [sonny1] so when some pessimests say its fake, IT ISNT
    [sonny1] we are sooooo close its silly

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  16. Thanks jmw. Your example is one of many that could be quoted that shows exactly what I mean when I say, 'sonny1/nick is playing the game'. The reason why I asked him to consider taking a more constructive route and distance himself from James Wolf. I remember sonny1 had told several people including myself that you were one of the most 'negative people' and he successfully bashed you with the blessings of most of the DV board. THIS is the very reason why sonny1 cannot be trusted, because if you are not on his train, he will belittle you and trash you, just as he has done to many others. This is not an accusation, it is fact because of the words he has written himself.

    Now I understand why he considers us all to be 'stupid' and clueless, or one of his terms, 'we are zeros' whatever that means. Thank you jmw, for telling the truth and taking the time to post this. I suspect you will unjustly be called a few clever names which appears to be the standard operating procedure within the dinar game, but I know you are nothing as sonny1 has portrayed you. Even 'Adam' AKA James Wolf stated not long ago that he wondered how any 'lopster' could even get up in the morning etc., because they are 'so negative'. Does anyone see the pattern of character assassination that is rampant within dinar forums? Does this not at the very least reveal this whole thing is a dirty nest of mind rape and manipulation? Sorry to use such harsh words, but come on, it cannot be denied.

    You are a class act jmw, and it only revealed sonny1 agenda by the manner in which he treated you over the last year...unfortunately, there are many others who were trashed by him and are long gone. Some guys who were well versed in economics, which is completely contrary to the dinar mindset, where facts and basic economics can play no role because they reveal the lies, the hype and the game of a fictional RV. You have always stood up and told the truth, thank you for that jmw.

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  17. Well.. Looks like things arer about to get interesting for sure! Here are some civil suits are that are happening now because of all of this. Looks like it may be time for these perps to start paying for the things they have done.

    The interesting thing though.. is it looks like there are other dealers that are names in this suit.. such as Treasury Vault.. this is certainly going to be interesting to see how many other suits come out of this now....
    And it looks like the Saga continues.. now civil suits are being made regarding this case. The only difference now, is that they have named other Dinar Dealers in this lawsuit as well.. looks like things are about to get real interesting!!
    http://www.equities.com/news/headline-story?dt=2012-09-22&val=509591&cat=finance

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  18. "I can say on my two year old and 6 months life this is true"

    This is how you know when sonny is lying. Low life to bring his unknowing and innocent children into his game and twisted lies.

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  19. Usually in a fraud case involving a lot of money the prosecutors are interested in the money trail and those who benefitted from the fraud. Sonny1 has repeatedly said " I never made any money off the Dinar". He also has done what seems to be a pretty good job of convincing Sam that he was somehow a victim of the whole James Wolf thing and he was not at all interested or aware of any foul play. Which really makes me wonder the exact same thing jmw does why he would post blatant lies like the one posted above. There may be a bit more to sonny1 story or maybe not. One thing I do continually notice is that he has never yet used James Wolf's name he always refers to him as "adam". So he is definitely afraid to admit that Adam's real name is James Wolf.....That in itself is very strange UNLESS sonny1 had no idea what his real name was.......doubt it.

    Which leads us all to the same question.

    Was sonny1 just an innocent honest guy trying to make the world of Dinar a better place and was he totally unaware of what James Wolf was up to and ultimately did not want anything to do with him? Im sure this is Sam's position and that is why he is so quick to defend him.

    OR

    Is he is a blatant liar con man just like his friend James?


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    1. erin, I would be surprised if he did not know all about Wolf. He has said they were/are good friends, hence maybe the reason he would never admit to or dare mention 'adam' by his real name. to him, I am sure we are all just losers, but some things cannot be denied. After years worth of lies and slogans and playing the game, fortunately, the doors are closing in quickly and as JayP mentioned...it is fully proper for dealers to be named in the upcoming waterfall of civil suits.

      Dealers and their tactics appear pretty clear to me, and many of them have broken the MSB reg's by their manner of operation. Many have not maintained their MSB paper work for years but they still sell away to every mis-informed person who orders, and I see this changing quickly also. greed is always the root cause and those involved have a lot of 'splainin to do. the scene is full of thieves, how good to see them caught in their own web of lies.

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    2. Lol sonny is a complete pumper. In one of sans threads on this blog I posted a bunch of sonny1 chats and his bank contacts. Lol this guy is a joke and clearly a pumper. He loves playing the victim role. The guy made a post on dv calling dinarck out and saying I read everything on all dinar sites and yet calls others stalkers and losers. Sam don't buy into his act. You cannot say he's not a pumper. His chats alone are evidence. Also whenever things are down at dv you can count on sonny to pop in and post garbage to get spirits up. He's a clown. I'll post his bank contact chats again as they are hilarious.

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    3. So now I'm gullible? Look, I'm well aware of sonny1's history. I even posted about it back in January. http://dinardouchebags.blogspot.com/2012/01/sonny1-says-goodbye.html In fact I think I've probably researched all of the parties involved in this mess as much as anybody outside of law enforcement. I have his name, address, phone number, age, place of employment ... I even have his bank's name for God's sake. I've gone through archives of chat sessions and posts. I also have a recording of his voice from a conference call he did a couple of years ago. I've traced the history of these two. They only lived in the same town for a short while. I've read through threads at DV where the two appeared at odds. Bear in mind that people give me information constantly that they don't share with others. Did it ever occur to you that maybe the reason I have the views that I do on people like miskebam and sonny1 is because of what I know, not because of what I don't know? As I've said I don't agree with him on some things he believes and I don't approve of some things he has done. But I could say the same thing about many other people in the dinar community who I consider friends. Sonny has used bad judgment in the past and has admitted it. I don't know why you people can't just let it go.

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  20. You are right Sam. We've all used bad judgment, especially when it comes to the dinar game. Most of us were at one time sucked into the hype and thankfully we now understand that is all it is. It does no good to pound on someone, although in my opinion the trail of posts and statements lead to a fairly solid conclusion, this will simply decay into something that should not reflect Sams site.

    Thanks again Sam for your work, it is both respected and appreciated. I will personally let it go, as you wish. I do not want to see sonny1 or anyone else allow his association to be the cause of division on yet another site.

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  21. Sam, just a quick thank you for continuing your blog. I know you said you were growing weary of it, but your
    persistence has paid off~the best chapter in this whole dinar drama is upon us!

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  22. Yes Pakita.....My sentiments exactly. Thank you Sam! This is exciting and can't wait for Chapter 2!

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  23. I am with leastofall51 on this one... there are few sites where we can get together like this and really share facts and enjoy justice being done without fear of branding or being banned.... becoming divided like other sites is EXACTLY what the pumpers would love to see happen so while we bicker they have more time to continue the nonsense.. nothing wrong with pointing out where one was wrong... but as long as we are respectful and have facts to prove it.. the facts will speak for themselves and there is no need to bicker.

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  24. Thanks for the 9/25 update Sam. Yes, this is a very good point to be made here. The fact is, as much as some people may want to tell themselves "no no, say it ain't possibly so" and try to somehow rationalize a way that this could not possibly be true, or as much as the pumpers out there will try to calm the fears of investors or customers of theirs so that they will continue to spend their money on whatever nonsense these pumpers are trying to sell them, these facts cannot be changed or just wished away.

    Can there be some hope that maybe this currency will be have a future as any other currency has the potential for, and not redenominate anytime in the near future, allowing for small gains over a long period of time, sure.. that is at least something realistic to hope for, but to say that these prosecutors are just making this stuff up is unfortunately just beyond naive and ignorant...

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  25. Great work Sam!! Always enjoy reading your findings.
    On another subject does anyone know what is up with Dinar Dater site? I try accessing the site and keep getting "account suspended".

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  26. Unless I am missing something, DV has been up and down server wise, supposedly for problems, etc. When it came back up, due to a suspicion that some posts and other kind of information may have been cleaned out, AKA deleted, I did a search for older sonny1 chats. Everything before 7-24-11 appears to be gone. So as not to accuse, but to clarify, can anyone else check this out and either confirm earlier posts are missing/deleted, or confirm that I am simply in error. I know there were chats by him before 7-24-11, but I cannot find them on DV any longer. Coincidence? I don't know.

    With all that has been happening the last two weeks, is there a link. Sam's posting of sonny1 chats when he did an article about him, go back to early 2010. Nothing before 7-24-11 on DV now.

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    1. Did you click on sonny1's profile and search through his posts?

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    2. Hi Sam

      I performed a search of the entire board for 'sonny1' posts searching in "Chat logs". That brought up all his chats but only went back to 7-21-2011. I went and searched as you suggested via his profile. Only posts that show up are from Aug. 25 2012 to Sept. 30 2012.

      It would appear so far that his chat posts before 7-21-2011 are simply gone, and as far as recent posts, they cover as mentioned above. In addition I searched under "Topics" and that shows posts from March 15 2012 to Sept. 6 2012. Purposeful house cleaning? It would appear that way so far, but I am stating an observation. Things are missing, that is evident. Why? That too may be evident considering current scrutiny and liabilities. I know he conducted 'drive by chats AKA encourage the flock sessions' before 7-21-2011, I cannot find them at all.

      Thanks Sam for the advice, so far coming up with nothing more than stated, and I find it strange, yet not unexpected. Maybe a few others can confirm or deny my observation, but searching as mentioned turned up more than a few things missing at this time.

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    3. Hi again Sam

      Ok, I sorted the chat log search differently this time, using 'ascending a-z' and it goes back to Jan. 20 2010. It was my mistake or lack of proper sorting, so some chats DID show up back to Jan 2010.

      I apologize for assuming without digging deeper. A casual default search in Chat logs does only show up chats back to 7-21-2011, but adjusting the order goes back to Jan 20 2010.

      My mistake and my apologies.

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  27. My date was in error...I was 3 days off...posts of chats go back to 7-21-11 when searched on DV.
    Interesting. Maybe nothing, maybe something.

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    1. Of course they are cleaning house. There are no server issues. Just an excuse. Just because they deleted from DV doesn't mean squat. They are all over the Internet. They will be jailed.

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    2. As I stated before the feds have been onto DV and Wolf for some time now. There is alot more to James Wolfs network than just Dinar Vets. Wolf is now in panic mode selectively deleting posts and threads that will further incriminate him. Server issues?......come on. As far as sonny1 is concerned his chat logs speak for themselves.

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    3. Hi

      I have ALOT of backups of DV and while James Wolf thought he was pretty tech savvy and even used some reasonably capable companies hes no match for a determined bunch of h%%kers.
      We would be more than willing to hand over some pretty interesting material when the time is right.

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    4. While I don't condone hacking or cyber vandalism I have to admit I'd be curious as to what was discovered.

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  28. The indictment of the BH Group definitely put a scare into people. Even Roger Dorman has changed his tune. He's much more cautious about the dinar and only speaks of it now as an "alternative currency". He must forget all his archives when he was pushing for an RV by the end of 2010. Even if their past prognostications and pumping result in no future legal problems, it's a good thing that they've changed their tune. People will be able to hear the other side of the story more easily and without the sense of urgency. If they hear both sides of the story and still want to waste their money on dinar, at least they made an informed decision. That's a good thing.

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    1. I just sent this to Blanche at Dinar Guru. She stated today that the gurus have gone silent for some reason the last few days.

      "The reason the gurus have gone silent is the indictments against the BH Group and Rudy Coenen. The indictment document stated that they defrauded investors by misrepresenting the redenomination that the CBI has announced, claiming instead that they intend to revalue the dinar in a way that will make investors rich. It also states that they lied about the US Treasury holding trillions of dinar that they can use to eliminate the deficit once the dinar revalues. Gurus now know that lying about the dinar to defraud investors is a federal offense that could land them in prison. They don't have much to say if they can't lie. This isn't a game. People are being hurt. The lies that the gurus have told aren't cute, they aren't just bad intel or flawed analysis. They are criminal actions, and nothing gets the attention of a criminal better than watching other criminals do the perp walk for doing the same things."

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