Gurus and Goodbyes

Back in May a guru named Joe P said goodbye to his friends at People's Dinar, convinced that the RV was going down very soon.


Posted 05-09-11
Hi All,

This might be extremely long. I have thoughts but wrote no outline, therefore, the fingers will flow with the thoughts.

It has been an honor and priviledge to partner with Steve, Ray, and every Mod (all of you!!!) here now and past. And how can I express appropriately the emotions of gratitude, admiration, respect, and lifelong relationships formed here at PD. Perhaps more relationships can be formed when we arrive in Phoenix for the event which will take place shortly after the final announcement. That event's date will be posted the moment we know...not a second before.

Now, in reflection of this journey I remember some real highlights...some real disappointments...and many AHA moments. There's no way to tell each story...perhaps I will save that for a joint novel with another member. I know that all of you suffered and celebrated just like I did. The only difference was the depth of each personal event. That cannot be compared. I know that I insulated myself many times, other times I was lower than everyone else, but pulled myself up out of necessity. I also used friends to resuscitate me from time to time, just as they relied on me to do the same for them.

I pray that I brought something for many of you. Some logic, some assessments, some opinions, some clarity, some crazy opinions which panned out or didn't and one that you'll witness soon, some terrible math when it came to converting GBP etc (won't live that down), some dot-connecting, and some horizon lines. I'm comfortable knowing I did the best I could, even when it wasn't good enough for a member or two or three or more. I only called for the RV one time back in December...wow, what a lesson that was. Mostly, I kept secret intel I knew before and know because of personal decisions (not one time did we ever share something that could have put lives in jeapordy...nor did we ever buy based on what we learned...nor did we offer anything we knew to encourage anyone else to buy). I refused to be like some terrible, terrible people in the Dinar world. I want to write their names and call them out, but that wouldn't be me. Who I believe and what I believe is different then others. Those I know who lie cannot be defended nor prosecuted...not by me. That's not my job. They will eventually get what's coming to them. A good friend and cohort in the Dinar world reminded me, that I cannot protect people "who don't want to be protected". Sound, sound advice from a respected person.

Well, that's enough of the emotional stuff...now to the cherry on the ice cream.

This is my final major and significant post. Why? Because my furthest horizon line is June 30th. I truly believe this is our month and am expecting it. But, if it ends up being 50 more days, I can easily make it that far. For those of you that can't, you're wrong. Yes you can. Just as if your vacation was 45 days away, you could make it to that too. For any of you who have financial distress, there is help on it's way, so hang in there as best as you can. Nothing is put before you that you cannot handle. And I've concluded there isn't anything else to catch. It's been a great hunt, but as this winds down, I truly don't need to know an hour before hand or even a day before hand. I'm content knowing it is going to happen and nothing I learn in the next phone call will make any difference to me.

I for one, do not believe that the Iraq government purposely works tirelessly to trick us. Some of the information is purposeful, but for the most part, they aren't laughing at us, conieving some weird article to freak out the Americans. There certainly is misinformation, but it's intended for their citizens and the world, not YOU or ME.

The Iraq government will be completed this month. The DFI fund expiration is this month (meaning the original account must be closed 5-31). Chapter 7 will be lifted in June (RV must occur before that). The resolution of Kuwait has been finalized for quite some time. The HCL has parts passed and the rest will follow before end of June. The Erbil agreements are being fulfilled partially now and completely before end of June. Maliki is not going anywhere. Those that have beaten him will learn differently. Maliki will be one of the most powerful men in the world before month's end. You'll witness his power and statesmanship during his announcement on the 11th. Iraq is ascending back into the world and the blessings that come with that. I, for one, am extremely happy for their country and people.

In closing, I look for this month to conclude the RV and elevate Iraq to the international level they deserve. Including being one of the final investment frontiers remaining in the world.

Protect your emotions by remembering they could take until the end of June. Protect your emotions by not reading certain posters who are realitively new and come with incredible connections just to be at the front of the line. Those who "must be first" are NOT the ones to depend on for accurate information. Be happy with the Dinar you have...buying more is not necessary, especially if it's based on greed. And certainly never based on what I write or say.

We will be attending the Phoenix event along with the PD team. We'll share laughs and tears. We'll form impenetrable friendships. And we commit to forming a group which focuses on making a significant improvement to our country and our fellow citizens.

We wish each of you the best and accumlating the knowledge of how to proceed in your next chapter.

Kindest Regards,
Joe P


For those of you unfamiliar with Joe P, he is a forex trader from Ft. Worth, Texas who used to post on Dinar Vets. He left in late 2010 when the big unauthorized conference call fiasco occurred and thousands left to form People's Dinar where he served as conference call moderator for awhile and was one of the chosen few to avoid being banned. In this post Joe is saying goodbye to the PD crowd because the RV is at hand. (As he mentions he had called the RV previously in late 2010.)  This was in May and he was saying by the end of June, or possibly 50 days more which would put it toward the end of August. Well it's late October now and still no RV. I have noticed he is posting again at DV though, saying things like "Why don't you simply, GO AWAY" "sell now and get out" "What a friggin LOSER!!!!!!!!!!" "I disagree. But respect your right to be stupid" and "You are a friggin liberal nut job".  Really insightful stuff, right?  The sad thing is Joe P used to be a guy that many of us liked to listen to.  His experience in currency trading gave him some insight that most of us don't have.  Now he just seems like this broken, bitter man who is grasping at anything to justify his investment of time and money in the IQD.  

I saw the same thing happen to sonny1, another guy I used to think knew a bit about this investment.  In May of 2010 he said goodbye in this post:

ITS TIME FOR ME TO LEAVE THE DINAR INTERNET WORLD FOREVER (CALM DOWN I KNOW YOU ARE ALL EXCITED) ITS POINTLESS FOR ME TO COME ON HERE ANYMORE, I TOLD YOU ALL THE WHEN BY DATE FOR AN RV AND SOME STILL DONT LISTEN. THERE IS A GUY NAMED **** WHO IS EITHER **** (THATS MY GUESS) OR ** OR ONE OF **** IDIOT FOLLOWERS, WHO DECIDED TO ATTACK ME AND I DONT NEED IT. I DONT COME ON HERE AND SAY THE RV WILL BE 3.00 WHICH IT WONT BE, I DID IT WITH A LITTLE CLASS. ITS SUMMER NOW, AND ITS TIME FOR ME TO GO AND HAVE FUN WITH MY KIDS AGAIN. I NEVER INTENTIONALY MISLEAD ANYONE, AND ANYONE WHO HAS EVER BEEN ON WITH ME KNOWS I HAVE BEEN RIGHT MORE THAN ANYONE, I HAVE REPORTED NEWS DAYS BEFORE IT WAS RELEASED FROM MY DUBAI BUDS. I WISH EVERYONE ON HERE THE BEST EVEN THE LOSERS WHO LIE, AND MISLEAD ON PURPOSE. I WANT TO THANK ADAM FOR GIVING ME THE FREEDOM TO DO MY THING ON HERE. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO WISH EVERYONE ON HERE GOOD LUCK, AND IF I COULD GIVE ANY OF YOU ANY ADVICE, IT WOULD BE DONT BE BROKE IN A YEAR. LOL.


GOOD LUCK,

NICK


Well of course Nick (sonny1) was back in a week or so telling everybody about what his guys in Dubai were telling him about the impending RV.  Over the past year he has gone back and forth from saying it was a long ways off to it was going to happen any day now.

This week Nick said that Obama's announcement about all of our troops leaving Iraq by the end of the year would prove disastrous if the RV didn't happen by then, and that he would sell all of his dinar after the first of 2012. 

"if we pull out at the end of 2011, like what was made official today, and they dont rv before, i am 100% selling alllll my dinar, because we are screwed..."   

though i am very happy that obama is bringing our brave guys and girls home, they are what make the u.s the best, and we should all be very grateful, but imo this is awful for our investment.

they get nothing done now, when we leave and iraq knows big brother is gone, i can only imagine how quickly iran moves in, and that is bad.

we have roughly 2 months for this to rv, or we will all be burning or wallpapering with our dinar, because if we leave and there isnt movement on our little investment, we f-ed

i dont mean to be negative, and i have always been positive, but we have 2 months or we are f-ed. 

This isn't the first time sonny1 has threatened to sell his dinar.  He did the same thing early this year and then claimed that he only said that to keep other investors from constantly bugging him.

Okie Oil Man said goodbye to his followers back in May of 2011.

[okie_oil_man] good morning america and ships at sea and all our world wide friends. From all intel received within the past 24 hour’s it appears we are approaching the end of our journey to utopia. The end is so near you can feel it. Due to business involvement and also physical problems i have decided that now will be the optimum time for me to retire from the intel furnishing status that i have maintained for several years. I hope you understand my decision. I have enjoyed most of the time being able to share what i had with each of you that may not have had the opportunity and exposure to sources that i have. I   god’s richest blessing’s on you all and have only wanted to be a messenger and a vessel to be used by the lord. I hope i have served that purpose–i may drop by occasionally to say hello but it had gotten to the point that the pressure and questions has taken a final toll on my mind, my body, and my spirit.–god bless you all and godspeed the r/v–goodbye

This was about the same time that Ali from Dinar Trade stopped selling dinar, which prompted many to conclude that Okie was Ali's main pumper.  However, Okie soon re-emerged and started his own website and shortly after that announced that he had a pastor friend in Florida who would be selling dinar.  Hmmmm ..... 

Dinar guru Phoenix also said goodbye back on Dec 10, 2010 convinced that the RV would occur by the first of 2011. 

My Last Public Post.

The time has come for me to say goodbye.

Thank you Adam for allowing me to post on your forum and thanks to everyone else.

We are at the end of this ride and there is nothing more to do than wait.

We are all so blessed to have the freedom to make our own personal choices and I hope everyone makes the right decisions that are best suited for you and yours based upon your own due diligence.

My personal choice for me is to support my local bank and the United States Banking system and to pay all of my due taxes as and when advised by the tax professional of my choice.

I wish the best of luck to all.

Thanks again and be well.

Phoenix

Well as we all know it didn't happen and Phoenix began posting again a few months later, mainly to promote his Blogtalk Radio broadcast where he constantly informs his listeners that the RV is right around the corner.

So what is it about this investment that keeps people coming back after they say goodbye?  Is it the admiration of their followers?  The challenge to get it right?  The kickbacks perhaps?  Or maybe it's the fact that they can't talk about this with "normal" people who don't believe in the RV, so they have to socialize with other believers.

We see all of these clever cottage industries springing up around the dinar - everything from MLM schemes to safes for stashing your dinar.  Maybe somebody should start a 12 step program for recovering dinarians to help them break away from the dinar community and become productive members of society again.  How about it, Roger?  I'm sure you can find a way to make a buck or two de-dinaring these guys.