Wednesday, July 11, 2012

Dinar Speculation in 1993

Here's an interesting article about dinar speculation gone awry back in 1993.  Just wanted to give people a bit of context about the risk involved in currency speculation.  It's also interesting to note that Iraq was experiencing hyperinflation ten years before coalition forces invaded in 2003, despite the pumpers' claim that it was devalued when Saddam was overthrown.  Thanks to CFO for sending me this.

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Fortunes in Iraqi Bills Gone Overnight

By CHRIS HEDGES
Published: May 16, 1993

Walid Abu Bakir still goes to work, although he isn't sure why.  All the usual things are in place -- the two telephones on his desk, the calculator he uses to tally figures and the neatly stacked piles of green Iraqi dinars that sit on the shelf in front of him.  But while 10 days ago the stacks of bills, which constituted his entire financial holdings, were worth $50,000, today they are little more than scraps of paper.

In an effort to fight runaway inflation, Iraq decided last week to invalidate its 25-dinar note. Mr. Abu Bakir, a black-market currency trader, has been wiped out, along with tens of thousands of other Jordanians.  "The Jordanian people supported Iraq during the gulf war," Mr. Abu Bakir said, "and this is how we are repaid."

To many outside the Arab world a pile of banknotes, each with an engraving of Saddam Hussein in a military uniform, might not seem like a sound investment. But many Jordanians, sure that the United Nations embargo against Iraq would one day be lifted, believed that the hard currency of their neighbor would regain its old value once Baghdad resumes oil sales.

Jordanian businessmen accepted Iraqi currency for payment, often in deals with the Iraqi Government, and squirreled it away. Shepherds sold their flocks, people traded in their gold jewelry and families mortgaged their homes, or withdrew their savings, to buy the Iraqi bills.  "I didn't have anything else so I sold my taxi to buy Iraqi dinars," said 23-year-old Ahmed Said.

Each morning dozens of men carrying bundles of Jordanian dinars descended on the tiny offices in the Shabsoug building in downtown Amman. They bought Iraqi dinars from black marketeers like Mr. Abu Bakir, filling shopping bags with the bills. Government officials estimate the value of hoarded Iraqi currency in Jordan at $100 million.  And Jordanians were not alone. Investors from Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and even Kuwait bought up millions of the banknotes, sometimes shipping them out of Jordan by the truckload.

Iraqi officials say the Governments of Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates alone are hoarding 10 billion prewar Iraqi dinars as part of an effort to hasten the country's economic collapse and force it to print money with no monetary backing.

"Gulf Arab speculators would call up and place orders for a million dinars or more," Bashir Mostapha Nobani, a currency trader, said. "They always wanted the prewar 25-dinar notes because they are easier to ship in bulk than smaller denominations and because they did not have faith in the new Iraqi currency."

Iraq kept churning out new money, but the bills were of shoddy quality. The paper was thin and easily torn. The ink ran. The flimsy bills, often indistinguishable from the fake photocopied Iraqi notes that began to circulate, became known as "military notes." Few people, least of all speculators, wanted much to do with them, and the prewar 25-dinar bill became the preferred note.

Before Iraq invaded Kuwait in August 1990 the dinar was worth about $3.00. But after the imposition of sanctions and Iraq's defeat in the Persian Gulf war, its value plummeted. Two weeks ago, the new dinars were being sold for a penny, while the prewar bills brought 3 cents. The new bills, after the invalidation of old ones, have risen in value on the black market to 3 cents.

"We thought this high-grade currency would never be canceled, while the cheap post-war currency might," said Mr. Abu Bakir. "So, of course, we held on to the old stuff and got rid of the new stuff as fast as we could."

But there were other, unseen players in the speculating game, some say. Iraqi officials, along with some Western diplomats, contend that Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Israel and Iran flooded the market with forged Iraqi bills as part of an effort to destabilize Mr. Hussein's Government.

As the old 25-dinar notes began to disappear from the market, inflation soared, and Iraqi monetary officials, in what Western diplomats describe as a desperate effort to stifle it, invalidated the old notes. The move abruptly removed an estimated 25 billion dinars from circulation.

"This decision, in the short term, helps Iraq," one Western diplomat said. "But in the long term it could prove devastating. Few people outside Iraq will now trust the currency, making imports harder to get and bleeding the hard currency reserves. Eventually this could fuel hyperinflation, as there will be lots of money and little left to buy."

Baghdad permitted Iraqis to exchange the 25-dinar notes for the new currency, but they closed the borders for six days to keep speculators outside the country. The border was reopened Tuesday, after the Monday deadline to turn in the old notes passed.

In an effort to cut down on smuggling, Baghdad also imposed a stiff exit tax of 15,000 dinars, the equivalent of $250 on the black market and $48,000 at the official exchange rate. The tax has slowed cross-border traffic from Iraq to a trickle.

Iraqi officials say they have no intention of compensating anyone else, even the Jordanian businessmen they traded with.  "It was their mistake to speculate in Iraqi currency," Shawki Kubaisi, the chairman of the Iraqi Trade Bank, said in Amman. "This is a matter of our national sovereignty, taken to improve our economy."

But Jordanian businessmen, who have lost tens of millions of dollars, say the move was akin to theft.
"I sold flour to Iraqi farms and they paid me in money they now say is worthless," said Nabil Ahmed al-Kaid. "This isn't business. It's robbery. The next time the Iraqis want something they'd better show up with dollars."

http://www.nytimes.com/1993/05/16/world/fortunes-in-iraqi-bills-gone-overnight.html






Tuesday, July 10, 2012

Dan and Circus Dinar

I just listened to a conference call from last Thursday with Dan and Tony at PTR.  This was very entertaining as Dan is complaining about all of the bad intel his group is getting.  Seems his sources are always wrong.  (NOOOO!!!!!  REALLY???)  His theory is that government agencies are leaking bad intel to see who will repeat inside information and who won't.  That topic was addressed back in December in my interview with Enoch8 when we were discussing intel.  Apparently Dan is just now catching on.   

When Dan and SteveI and their buddies did their unauthorized conference calls at Dinar Vets a couple of years ago their justification was that Adam Montana wasn't telling anybody what was going on and the members needed some real intel.  They were tired of being kept in the dark.  His group supposedly had great contacts and could supply the information that Mr. Montana either wasn't sharing or didn't have access to.  Now Dan apparently has discovered that this intel game isn't as easy as he thought it was.  From his repeated pleas of "I know you're getting as tired of hearing this as I am saying it" I suspect that Dan's members are turning on him.  About time!

As readers of my blog can attest to I'm no fan of Adam Montana.  I think the guy's a complete fraud.  However, sinner or saint Dinar Vets is his site, and what Dan and his rat pack did was in essence member theft.  They broke the rules and then played the role of victims.  Thousands of people followed them thinking that now they were going to have access to the real scoop about the RV.  WRONG!!!  LOL!  And the irony is that many of them were VIP members at DV and they followed Dan thinking that they were going to get his intel for free.  HA!!!

I wrote about this a while back in "You Can't Con a Con".  In particular I was thinking about how people like Breitling and James Wolf (Adam Montana) saw the number of followers that Med and Frank were drawing and decided to get in on this dinar thing.  Then after DV took off TerryK and his guys saw the numbers Adam Montana was getting and started trying to steal his members when they were banned.  Then along comes Rudy Coenen with his dog and pony show.  Banned!  Then Dan's merry band of douches pop up and it's deja vu all over again.  Seems there's no honor among douchebags.  I believe that the big allure to scammers is the huge numbers of followers you can acquire by presenting yourself as some kind of authority on the dinar, especially if you tell people what they want to hear ... "you're gonna be rich".  The more followers you have the more potential suckers customers you have from which to extract money.  That's why you'll never hear any of these guys say "wow folks, bad news .... things aren't going well in Iraq" or "I just read what this guy said about deleting the zeros means lop and I'm starting to reconsider my viewpoint" or "There's a good chance we're gonna lose money on this thing".  Can't afford to scare them off.  No, it's always sunshine and roses.  "All good news.  Intel is very encouraging."

In the past year there has been an explosion of dinar related conference calls, most of them sharing some "intel" from nameless sources.  Everybody and his brother is trying to get their piece of the dinar pie by drawing a crowd.  Don't believe me?  Take a look at IQD Calls.  CC's every day.  Literally hundreds already this year.   Most of them pitching some dinar dealer or some other product.  And the dinar?  Well there's not really much to say.  As Dan and the rest of them show us nearly all of the intel has flopped so all we can go by is what they're telling us at the CBI.  Looks like they're gonna lop. 

Dan followed up the Thursday call with a clarification call on Friday, explaining how the whole dinar journey has unfolded for him.  In this call he said:

When I first got involved in this in early 2010 late 2009, first thing we were looking for was myself, I really got interested in April 1 when I seen the first Paris Treaty announcement of China forgiving 80% of the debt and Russia blah blah ... all these different things .... and I said "Wow!What I've been hearing is true!"  That was my first enlightening moment on this.  I started building my foundation on the fact that that many countries would not forgive this debt ........ 
What took place in this situation where I was looking at it, is I was being told for about three or four weeks about this Paris Treaty and the forgiving of debt and why the forgivement of debt was gonna take place because ... and the guy said "Dan you know how company structures work ... if a company had ... if they were gonna try to make what their stocks were worth, what their company was worth what would they do?  What's the profit & loss statement for the year, where does the company sit ... blah blah blah ... these countries are done the same way, and if they can forgive the debt of Iraq to X amount and then they can start building up the infrastructure of Iraq and this is the story I was hearing .... building in their roads, start putting in the electricity and so on and so on and all the things they had to bring back to this country and if they put it back on its feet so that they can revalue the currency the world would win ... those that bought into the Iraqi dinar.  Now we weren't really supposed to really get involved, but as the Bush and Cheney administration put this together they got a little excited with themselves and they told a few people that told a few people that told a few people and along come the internet ... TA DA!!! Here we are! Never had a revaluation like this one, have they?



Holy crap!  Where do I start?  Debt relief goes back all the way to biblical times with the year of Jubilee.  It's hardly a new concept applied solely to Iraq.  As for the Paris Club, they've forgiven over $1 billion of Liberia's debt, over $7 billion of DR Congo's debt,  and $30 billion of Nigeria's debt.  I suppose we're waiting for all of these countries to revalue their currencies too?

We weren't supposed to know about this?  Really, Dan?  Presumably trillions of dollars at stake and they just got so excited they couldn't help themselves!  They had to talk about it?  LOL!!!  Are you at all familiar with the concept of classified information? 

Along came the internet?  In 2003?  Uh, the internet was created in the 60s, Dan.  And the worldwide web has been around for twenty years.  I started using it in 1995.  In fact I was talking to people in a chat room on 9/11/2001.  It's not bloody likely that these guys were caught off guard by the possibilities of internet communication and research. 

Never had a revaluation like this one?  You mean where a currency increases in value by 300,000% or more?  Uh, no ... don't believe they have.  In fact the largest RV in history was about 30%.  All the more reason to dismiss the idea that the dinar's value is going to shoot up to 86 cents or more at the flip of a switch. 

Dan Atkinson is sympomatic of everything that's wrong with this "investment".  He's good at talking, but his background is in network marketing, not investment or currency analysis.  His motivation is obvious, to the point of creating bogus intel (he said that ATMs in Iraq were loaded with lower denoms in the summer of 2010), using that to draw a following, blatantly scheming to take his followers from another forum owner, stating that his intel would be free, then charging a fee because the expenses were greater than expected, and then insisting that the whole thing wasn't contrived from the beginning.  His "intel" is crap because he doesn't understand the concept that Enoch8 addressed ... cross-referencing.  Rumours are not intel.  Hearing something from somebody you believe is not intel.  There's an entire process of information vetting that needs to take place before any intel can be considered legit.  (Hell, the US Govt couldn't get the right intel on WMD in Iraq or the whereabouts of Bin Laden for years.  You think an amateur is gonna master it in a few months?)  Then there's the wrong assumptions about what's going on with the RV based on pumper lines and forum facts.  I just addressed a few of them, but my blog has addressed about a hundred others.  It's guys like Dan Atkinson that have turned the dinar into a circus.  Unfortunately for the people who pay him to get in, there are no refunds.



 








Saturday, July 7, 2012

Douchie for July 1-7

Before I get to the Douchie I have to cover this.  On Thursday Bondlady was talking about a news article concerning China's business relationship with Iraq when she said:

9:08 AM [BondLady] Iraq needs to be economic relations with countries in the world developed a strong republic of China in order to serve the national economy and raising its standards.  
and that the dinar needs political stability and then the economic goal of diversifying revenues and increase the total production of the country and maintain the rate of exchange against foreign currency as dollar, in order to become an international currency popular in all countries of the world (okay this part isn't too clear but BL is just quoting from the article that was translated from Arabic, so no biggie)

9:08 AM [BondLady] see back in 2010 when shabibi was talkin about the ld's an how it would take about 2 yrs to get the people used to it (bad spelling and grammar but again, no biggie)

9:09 AM [BondLady] an that he would put the iqd into a basket of curriences and he mentioned the yen pound an usd  (don't recall that but whatever ....)

9:09 AM [BondLady] isnt china the yen (OH NOOO!!!  She didn't!!!)

9:10 AM [player46] BondLady .. No yuan..
9:10 AM [BondLady] ok
9:10 AM [therealbubbie] BondLady yen is japan  (Ya think???)

9:10 AM [BondLady] shabs also said he wanted the dinar to become a reserve currency

http://www.dinarrecaps.com/1/post/2012/07/bondlady-morning-chat-post-by-oogie-bondlandys-corner.html

And people complain because I interviewed John Jagerson.


And now for this week's Douchie.  On July 4 Studley declared independence from reality and stated the following:

"DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES WANT TO SEE US LOOSE OUR MONEY, AND THE SYSTEM HAS TO BE COMPLETELY SAFE. SECOND, THEY ARE STILL TAKING CERTAIN KEY INDIVIDUALS OUT OF THE WAY. ANOTHER IMPORTANT POINT: IRAQ HAS METICULOUSLY TAKEN THE LARGE DENOMS OFF THE STREET, THE HIGHEST BILL ON THE STREET IS 500 DINARS, WHICH AT THIS RATE IS 42 CENTS, IRAQ NEEDS A MONEY SUPPLY AND FAST. ALSO, THE WORLD NEEDS CAPITAL INFUSION IMMEDIATELY, THIS IS A TIMING ISSUE, AND DON'T FORGET, THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO BE TAKEN DOWN AROUND THE WORLD. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A COMPLEX PROCESS AND TAKES TIME."

I've been telling people for months now that they're not pulling in the larger notes and reducing the money supply like these douchebags are telling us.  The CBI website shows you the updated amount of cash outside of banks every month and it's growing.  30 trillion dinar now, in fact.  When I read this I contacted a man who lives in Iraq and was told:


"Sorry, but that seems like bullshit. 25000 notes are still there and in very large numbers."

Then on Wednesday night's Revalue.US conference call Proteus asked Frank Bell from Dinar Banker about what Studley claimed.  Frank's response was that it's quite the opposite.  It's easier in Iraq to get the larger notes than the smaller ones.
Just as I suspected.  Looks like Studley fired a blank.  DOOSH!!!