tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5596379580203915255.post602928675249358945..comments2023-05-16T02:24:23.898-07:00Comments on Dinar Douchebags: Babylon the GreatUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5596379580203915255.post-51979356904682667482014-07-28T08:44:26.242-07:002014-07-28T08:44:26.242-07:00I concur. Sorry if I got it off track. That wasn...I concur. Sorry if I got it off track. That wasn't my intent.networthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14434221904296078286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5596379580203915255.post-78214525098477839592014-07-28T08:43:04.328-07:002014-07-28T08:43:04.328-07:00jrg: sorry about the delay responding to you. I ...jrg: sorry about the delay responding to you. I was out of town for a few days. I agree. In fact, I thought I said that same thing. Religion has been around since the dawn of man. It will survive as long as man survives. The religions change. The doctrine and covenants change. The beliefs change. But religion persists. It will survive as long as man. networthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14434221904296078286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5596379580203915255.post-79516798297006891042014-07-24T18:49:38.073-07:002014-07-24T18:49:38.073-07:00It looks like I pompted a discussion about the exi...It looks like I pompted a discussion about the existence of God or the relevance of religion and the bible. That's wasn't my intent when I posted this. I'm a Christian myself, and I believe in the bible even if I don't always interpret it like the majority of Christians do. My purpose in posting this is to show that you can believe in the bible without believing in the dinar investment. You can have faith without being gullible, and falling for every religious con artist that comes along. Being a Christian doesn't mean that you can't engage in critical thinking. In fact the bible instructs believers to test everything. (1 Thessalonians 5:21; 2 Timothy 3:16; 1 John 4:1) If you test the teachings of prophecy teachers you'll find that most of them are posers, just like dinar gurus. That's all I was trying to say.Sam I Amhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11609519627791409673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5596379580203915255.post-88043659872938448642014-07-24T09:28:08.136-07:002014-07-24T09:28:08.136-07:00It's interesting.....I'm a person with a d...It's interesting.....I'm a person with a deep Christian faith, and also one who thinks the Dinar is a total scam. I think one of the aspects of "faith" is believing in something or someone "no matter what". It's a fundamental. Unfortunately, many put aside their mind...reasoning...and intellect when becoming believers. I think that the gurus recognize this dynamic, and play directly into it, thus we have a large group of Dinar believers who don't need "proof", and who use that aspect of faith much to their detriment.<br /><br />So sad.....D.C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14086948528320452334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5596379580203915255.post-57343185306482196972014-07-24T07:12:06.325-07:002014-07-24T07:12:06.325-07:00This is nothing new. This kind of practice has bee...This is nothing new. This kind of practice has been going on ever since the church began watching for the return of Christ. The apostolic Fathers had to deal with the corrupted gnostic writings which were an attempt to corrupt the gospel. About the time 1,000 years had pass people expected to see the return of Christ. The perception was that the church would replace Israel and that the church needed to be in possession of Jerusalem in order for Christ to return. <br /><br />As a result of this wrong belief the crusades came. There are a lot of wrong beliefs that attached itself to the bible over the years and different self-serving motives were the reason. And so it continues today. Bad theology is all around us.<br /><br />The problem as I see it is there are a lot of con-artist out there and everyone has an agenda. I can tell you that even though I am a Christian I don’t agree with the religious teachings of Hal Lyndsey and John Hagee. These guys make a lot of money spreading things that are not true. They take scripture out of context and interpret the bible in ways that it was never meant to be interpreted. They are really no different from people such as Joseph Smith, Harold Camping, or Charles Taze Russell.<br /><br />These guys I just mentioned not only take the bible out of context but they elevate their own writings above that of scripture. This is the same thing the Gnostics did. The problem is people look at these guys and lump all Christians in the same category. It is the stereo types that make people overly critical of Christianity. If we are talking about religion as an invention then we must also include evolution into the mix of religions. This was the religion that influenced Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Pol Pot, Mao and many others. The invention of this particular religion was devastating to the 20th century. I agree that religion can be used to both control man and even kill man.<br /><br />The dinar has absolutely nothing to do with biblical prophecy. But there are those that are easily influenced do to a lack of knowledge about scripture. I even encounter those that still believe things that were taught in the cold war era concerning bible prophecy. Hal Lyndsey has left his mark. Fear mongering and bad theology kind of go hand in hand.<br /><br />Hosea 4:6 my people are destroyed from lack of knowledge. "Because you have rejected knowledge, I also reject you as my priests; because you have ignored the law of your God, I also will ignore your children. (NIV)<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5596379580203915255.post-46326576353737790062014-07-24T06:21:09.164-07:002014-07-24T06:21:09.164-07:00Religions start because man wants to dominate or r...Religions start because man wants to dominate or rule other men. Most of the time it is to acquire new land, resources or servitude. But it can also be just to satisfy an outsized ego. We all have an inherent fear of the unknown. And death is the great unknown. Man exploits that by convincing other men that he knows what lies on the other side of life. He has a special connection to the afterlife. He knows what happens. It could be good or it could be bad. If people do what he wants or what he directs, it will be good. If they don't, it will be bad. Since people are naturally fearful of things they don't understand, they will be very cautious about doing things that will potentially cause their afterlife to be bad. So if giving money or fighting or, in extreme cases, killing other men is the key to eternal salvation, they will do it.<br /><br />Religion is an invention of man. As long as man exists, it will exist. It is not necessarily a bad thing. But at it's core, it is a tool to manipulate, control and influence other men. If modern day religions cease to exist (just as ancient Roman, Greek, Mayan and Egyptian religions eventually fell out of favor), they will surely be replaced with something else because man will always be compelled to control and rule other men. And one of the easiest ways to do it is by claiming special knowledge of the unknown. As much as we know and understand, there is much more that we don't know or understand. Our fear of the unknown will compel us to latch onto and support people and institutions that claim they can protect us from the unknown. The real motivation will be to expand or enhance their own power and influence. But, we don't care. There is a placebo effect on us. Even if we are receiving no protection, we think we are so we are comforted and serene. Ironically, in that regard, religion actually serves an important and valuable role in life. We take great comfort feeling like we're living our lives in acceptable conformity and compliance to ensure a good afterlife. I think it's as simple as that.networthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14434221904296078286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5596379580203915255.post-71817790189859048862014-07-23T19:47:32.307-07:002014-07-23T19:47:32.307-07:00The ingredients you site for what is needed for a ...The ingredients you site for what is needed for a religion to grow sound about right, but that does not point to how they get started or why.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5596379580203915255.post-64472791165478160122014-07-23T10:13:14.086-07:002014-07-23T10:13:14.086-07:00I don't want to get too far off topic. I agre...I don't want to get too far off topic. I agree that one can be devoutly religious and recognize that the dinar RV is a sham and a scam. The dinar scam is remarkably similar to religion (specifically, Christianity). There is a persecution, a crucifixion, and a resurrection. In the absence of evidence or proof, it requires fellowship, faith and hope to survive. It requires a cadre of disciples and priests to "interpret" the gospel in the absence of evidence. Finally, it requires congregants willing to share the gospel. It is a textbook example of how religions start and why they are creations of man. It is all done to control, manipulate and influence man to the exclusive benefit of other men.networthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14434221904296078286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5596379580203915255.post-84955387730359018032014-07-23T07:35:37.288-07:002014-07-23T07:35:37.288-07:00I agree that religions are an invention of humans,...I agree that religions are an invention of humans, and I agree that some people have used religion for all sorts of foul purposes. But the evidence does not support that such is how they came into existence. I'm sure there are many excellent works on this subject, I listened to The Evolution of God by Robert Wright.<br /><br />Further, our own views on religion are orthogonal to the clear idea that many in the Dinar world have latched onto this New Babylon notion to promote their idiocy. One could be a devote believer, and still see the nonsense behind those claims.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5596379580203915255.post-14592192389706234402014-07-23T06:02:20.050-07:002014-07-23T06:02:20.050-07:00Religion is an invention of man as a means and met...Religion is an invention of man as a means and method to manipulate other men. Man is always trying to dominate and control his fellow man. It has nothing to do with a belief in God. It has nothing to do with morality. It has to do with a scarcity of resources. Even prior to the invention of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam man has been scaring his fellow man into compliance, conformity and servitude using the threat of unknown and unseen but powerful forces that, of course, only certain men (usually the egomaniacal and oppressive leaders) had access to. Only those that are righteous, faithful and sufficiently devout are worthy of grace and mercy that this mysterious, omnipotent and ever present power will give them someday (far off in the future, of course). In every way, the dinar RV scam is just another incarnation of religious zealotry intended to manipulate the attitudes, emotions, and behaviors of the faithful for the benefit of a few. Sufficient faith, hope and, as always, money can get you into the exclusive club that is sure to deliver countless blessings, rewards and redemption. Someday. In the future. Way into the future. Way, way into the future.networthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14434221904296078286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5596379580203915255.post-12448655470008350432014-07-23T00:26:43.246-07:002014-07-23T00:26:43.246-07:00A lot of this stuff is simple "Affinity Fraud...A lot of this stuff is simple "<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affinity_fraud" rel="nofollow">Affinity Fraud</a>". The people who often wear the largest crosses around their necks aren't those who go to church, they're door to door con-men operating in areas known to be religious, and sadly many religious folk (especially the elderly) fall for it every time. "Prayer calls" & "Bible Study" are simply the Dinar Guru's equivalent of that.<br /><br />If you really want to know what Jesus thought about Dinar "RV" speculation, lookup the passage about the money changers at the temple:-<br /><br /><i>"And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves."</i> — Matthew 21:12–13<br /><br />Well that's exactly what Dinar salesmen & "RV" guru's are - money changers & their supporting cheerleaders. The excuses some RV-addicts make for "scamming for Jesus" is quite astounding...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02729824382467700841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5596379580203915255.post-69132697134316727662014-07-22T21:58:21.237-07:002014-07-22T21:58:21.237-07:00I really dig this post Sam because it needed to be...I really dig this post Sam because it needed to be said and you my friend did a fine job once again!!Cruzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07135530520029479770noreply@blogger.com